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Old 10-25-2012, 07:29 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Everyone keeps suggesting the CCM guns, and I take that seriously as a sign. But, how does the Empire sniper compare to the CCM?
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Old 10-25-2012, 07:34 PM   #12 (permalink)
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It's a lower cost alternative. Less quality, slightly worse pump stroke, but excellent value for the money, especially if you don't already own a barrel kit.
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Old 10-25-2012, 10:59 PM   #13 (permalink)
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i currently own a series5, series 6, s6.5 and pump mag.

i have owned,^,+, empire sniper, ccm'd sto, ccm'd 2k2 dyecocker, ccm'd 2k rf, ccm'd 2k3,2k2, 2krf, ccm'd freeflow, 2 other pump mags, 3 phantoms. and im sure im forget a few

ccm is where its at. trust me. people were raving about the sniper so i picked one up just to see what it was like. didnt even take it to the field to play with. shot about half a hopper and sold it. pump stroke felt bad wasn't like a ccm kit, trigger felt weird,reg was to far away from the frame. overall i just didn't like it.

some people like them don't get me wrong just my 2 cents.
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Old 10-25-2012, 11:27 PM   #14 (permalink)
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ccm is where its at. trust me. people were raving about the sniper so i picked one up just to see what it was like. didnt even take it to the field to play with. shot about half a hopper and sold it. pump stroke felt bad wasn't like a ccm kit, trigger felt weird,reg was to far away from the frame. overall i just didn't like it.

some people like them don't get me wrong just my 2 cents.
Just throwing this out there, but if you were stepping down from a CCM, which is basically an optimized Sniper, a WGP Sniper is going to feel worse.
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Old 10-25-2012, 11:41 PM   #15 (permalink)
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i didnt say which order i owned those in first and he asked about the empire sniper. which is what my whole quote was about above that you copied and said was a wgp sniper.
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Old 10-26-2012, 12:32 AM   #16 (permalink)
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I have put a ccm deluxe pump kit on a 99 RF Evol and a 99 RF Shocktech Vortex....neither felt as nice as my S6. Evol was close, the pump stroke was not as smooth and the trigger pull was long.

If I could on keep one marker, it would be my S6, hands down.

There are 3 ways you interface with a pump: 1. pump stroke 2. trigger pull 3 feel/how well it points. CCM markers are complete out to the box.

If I wasn't getting a CCM, I would pick up a cocker and put a CCM pump kit on it!
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Old 10-26-2012, 05:01 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Just throwing this out there, but if you were stepping down from a CCM, which is basically an optimized Sniper, a WGP Sniper is going to feel worse.
er.. an optimized snipers is better than a non-optimized sniper. ok.
but optimized is relative to the particular user.

for example:
I really don't like light weight components that have a higher tendancy to fail in the field. They, for me, are not optimized. They are unnecessary potential points of failure.

I also really don't like a light weight main spring that tends to create some tight tolerances when balancing fart vs sweet spot.

I also really don't like a super long or super heavy hammer needed to hold open the valve for a super long time to allow very low pressure gas to drive the ball. IMO: by bringing the pressure up some you can eliminate most velocity problems and all farting issues, but it required a heaver main spring and a lighter hammer.. e.g, oldschool internals.

I also find metal clicking sounds to be annoying and stainless steel front pump mounts to make things front heavy and throw my pump builds out of balance. IMO delrin on aluminum is nicer sounding to me and allows me to shorten the air tank while maintaining balance on my shooting hand making for a more compact overall build.

Point is: ccm builds guns a certain way that many people like* but please don't assume that one approach is necessarily better than the other. It is a matter of opinion. not fact.

Point #2: OP is on MCB, suggesting a certain level of maturity. Agglets with no sense of adventure probably need a well packaged solution but a Jedi should build his own lightsaber... at least once... its like a right of passage.

OP: sorry about the tangent here.
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Old 10-26-2012, 06:28 AM   #18 (permalink)
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All the weight is on your tank and hopper, so the weight of the gun is pretty meaningless.

When I play with my Phantom + 13ci + 50rd hopper, it feels pretty much the same as my J2L with the similar setup.

CCM feels like quality, and performs like that too. Converted cockers always feel bit off. Phantoms have great quality feel too.
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Old 10-26-2012, 07:18 AM   #19 (permalink)
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I have put a ccm deluxe pump kit on a 99 RF Evol and a 99 RF Shocktech Vortex....neither felt as nice as my S6. Evol was close, the pump stroke was not as smooth and the trigger pull was long.

If I could on keep one marker, it would be my S6, hands down.

There are 3 ways you interface with a pump: 1. pump stroke 2. trigger pull 3 feel/how well it points. CCM markers are complete out to the box.

If I wasn't getting a CCM, I would pick up a cocker and put a CCM pump kit on it!
Regarding the long trigger pull on the 99 rf Evo with ccm deluxe pump kit, couldn't you just shorten the hammer lug to release early in the pull?
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Old 10-26-2012, 07:35 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Obviously one factor you need to take into account is price.

Aside from that, I can see you go one of two ways.

If you are a tinkerer, then I think you should build your own sniper. The autococker is very modular and there is huge variety of parts to customize your marker with. It might not be the best looking marker on the field, might not be the best quality, but you know that child came from the fruit of your loins...

On the other hand, if you're more of a pick up and go person, then by all means, get a CCM marker. They're ready to shoot out of the box, they look great, feel great blah blah blah. You'll be able to show off your brand new 24 year old trophy wife, but your wedding's going to set you back into your retirement.

For me, when I'm running from bunker to bunker or in the middle of an intense game, the last thing I think about is how good my marker looks, how it feels or how it points, etc. I just care about whether or not my marker can lob a paintball out of the barrel at ~280 fps or not. If you play with a specific marker (assuming it is of decent quality) for an extended amount of time, you'll adapt to the marker, both advantages and disadvantages and I guarantee you it will point well, the trigger pull will feel great, as is the pump stroke.
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