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Old 01-16-2013, 10:26 PM   #41 (permalink)
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in the manual it says to oil the mag and shoot it with the barrel off just so you know.

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Old 01-16-2013, 10:58 PM   #42 (permalink)
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I recall viewing Mr. Kay on the 68 Automag instruction cassette saying it is important that the reg seat remain dry and oil free. I am open to correction.

I used remote co2 on my mags and they gunked up with crud often, especially the reg piston and washer stack.

Co2 and silicone based oil come together to make a yummy grey paste. I had to give all parts attention, even with the use of palmers 1/8 npt filter leading to the valve. I have hpa but I will never give up remote co2. Even in the winter.

So the manual is open to interpretation.

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Old 01-16-2013, 11:50 PM   #43 (permalink)
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He's been around since May. He probably knows how this works by now.
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Old 01-17-2013, 12:16 AM   #44 (permalink)
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I recall viewing Mr. Kay on the 68 Automag instruction cassette saying it is important that the reg seat remain dry and oil free. I am open to correction.

I used remote co2 on my mags and they gunked up with crud often, especially the reg piston and washer stack.

Co2 and silicone based oil come together to make a yummy grey paste. I had to give all parts attention, even with the use of palmers 1/8 npt filter leading to the valve. I have hpa but I will never give up remote co2. Even in the winter.

So the manual is open to interpretation.
ya that yummy grey paste that you wiped off of the spring stack is grease used to keep your spring stack from rusting. and it doesnt even come in contact inside the rest of the valve because it is sealed from the piston oring. so i doesn't matter if you use a filter, co2, hpa or a bucket of oil. the reg seat should be kept clean and not dry and oil free.

might want to check that manual again

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Old 01-17-2013, 12:46 AM   #45 (permalink)
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El Super Beasto is just hating because I shoot him with a sydarm frequently.

He has helped me with mags, taught me care and proper feeding of them, and making sure they reach their full potential.

I've whored a good number of mags, and I love my sydarm to death. Simplicity and utility. I believe it is the simplist way of firing paint. Consistent they are not. A least on c02 anyway. A bore sizer and cocker adaptor has helped, but nothing can get rid of the biggest problem. My love of 12ies. They aren't clean, they are inefficient, but Tom Kaye found a much more pleasant way of dealing with them. I love my new sixpak
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Old 01-17-2013, 01:23 AM   #46 (permalink)
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ya that yummy grey paste that you wiped off of the spring stack is grease used to keep your spring stack from rusting. and it doesnt even come in contact inside the rest of the valve because it is sealed from the piston oring. so i doesn't matter if you use a filter, co2, hpa or a bucket of oil. the reg seat should be kept clean and not dry and oil free.

might want to check that manual again

http://www.airgundesignsusa.com/Images/automan.pdf
I always clean and grease the spring stack upon assembly.

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Old 01-17-2013, 11:36 AM   #47 (permalink)
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I have what he originally wrote. Would you like me to share with the class? For posterity's sake of course...

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Y'know, actually, I'll stick to my word and not get involved further.
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Old 01-17-2013, 01:00 PM   #48 (permalink)
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cleaned up. knock that off.

The next one to stir that up again gets points.

If I missed any offending posts report them please. I'll get them then. It gets confusing when you have to delete half the damn thread! lol
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Old 01-18-2013, 02:31 AM   #49 (permalink)
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Also, correct me if I am wrong but putting oil in the asa will result in oil in your barrel, affecting accuracy. But what do I know, I've only been using Tom's steel beasts since '06 so I guess I still have a lot to learn.
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Co2 and silicone based oil come together to make a yummy grey paste. I had to give all parts attention, even with the use of palmers 1/8 npt filter leading to the valve. I have hpa but I will never give up remote co2. Even in the winter.
So... Si-O + CO2 -> ?

I thought Si-O and CO2 were mostly inert. So you might get silicone oil with some CO2 bubbles in it, which should still just behave as silicone oil.

I've been using silicone oil in all my guns and have never pulled out any mysterious grey paste, including the ones I run CO2 in, unless there was metal rubbing somewhere (i.e. on the bolt/spring, where... metal is rubbing).

Has anyone else experienced this? Maybe I've just had an incredible run of good luck.

I don't know what Palmer's sells, I'm assuming it's just a sintered filter which will probably easily pass "mystery paste" through it. I'm not sure why you bothered to mentioned this, considering it is completely immaterial.

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