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Old 08-01-2014, 08:35 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I would, but the mini is to cramped for me
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Old 08-06-2014, 10:15 AM   #22 (permalink)
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From a personal standpoint and from what I have heard the axe is the best marker for under $500 while the mini isn't too far behind it(basically the same gun and design not counting trigger assembly and board) the mini is about the same price as the proton new, and even cheaper used. See if you can find someone to let you try it out, because I think its definitely a good buy for the price.
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Old 08-06-2014, 01:09 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I'm not bagging on the Mini/axe, and I'm also not trying to say you shouldn't look into them, as they are great markers for the price range. IMO however, the Proton has a much nicer finish on the machined parts as well as a better quality anno job. To be honest it has a build quality equal to or better than guns way outside its price range, where I feel this is one of the areas Empire cheaped out on to lower the price. The Proton actually feels like you're holding something the builder took pride in making, not so much with the Axe and the Mini.

Performance wise, I've shot both and besides the slightly "clickier" shot on the proton due to the clapper noid, I'd rate them nearly identical. The only real downside to the Proton is availability of parts, as far as I know you're stuck going through Valken CS for parts when there are several online stores that I know keep Axe/Mini parts in stock. So far I haven't seen many problems with the protons though other than some of the keypads falling off. I fixed mine with a stronger glue and its been fine since.
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Old 08-07-2014, 10:22 AM   #24 (permalink)
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You don't have to go to Valken CS for all of the parts. I called up Mokal directly as it was easier for me, being in Canada, to talk to someone from Mississauga rather than New Jersey.

As far as I know, they're a manufacturer of aircraft parts located near Toronto's Pearson Airport. I had a question, I called them up at lunch, a real person came on the phone, and my question was answered. I'm sending my board to him for the latest flash.

If you're a Yank, it may be easier dealing with Valken. However, as a Canuck this was one of the easiest times I've ever had with a paintball company.
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Old 08-08-2014, 04:03 PM   #25 (permalink)
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To chime in on the support aspect, I found support through mokal to be slow at best. I had an issue with the ball detents due to machining issue, took over 1.5 months to get them in, and only after repeated calls. Then due to my own fault I snapped the trigger microswitch, another 2 months to get the part. That being said I called Valken and they had great support but unfortunately the two parts aren't compatible. They actually flip the microswitch to prevent the issue that I had.
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Old 08-14-2014, 01:50 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Did Valken finally change the microswitch so it doesn't break when putting the gun together? If so, props to them. I had to spend wayyyy too much money for a replacement on a V1 Proton that they wouldn't warranty even though I bought it brand new through a dealer.
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Old 09-29-2014, 01:08 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Sorry to bump a semi old thread but also what is the effiency of the proton while using a 50/45? I couldn't find any tests or videos showing its effiency.
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Old 09-29-2014, 07:20 AM   #28 (permalink)
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I ran a 48/45 and would typically get 5 pods and a regular topped Spire off of it without issue. Obviously paint to barrel fit will play a huge factor there, I normally underbore by .003-.005.
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Old 09-29-2014, 11:18 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Hustle reviewed it with an efficiency test.

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Old 09-29-2014, 10:45 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Ok thanks pistol rogue!
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