Paintball

[JoEyBaTTs]

I totally agree, theres definitly two ways to go about this, I dont think I need to go the route of Divisiveness like you mentioned but the topics discussed will have to be compaired to non-pump, again...not having to show a negitive side to non-pump but for the people who dont know anything about paintball has to have a reference. I would like to input your idea on opening the eyes of non-pump players to the world of pump and giving it a try. Im not here to make enemies, although drama and conflict does often play better on film..coming from a film student, I was only going with what people might enjoy watching, some type of conflict or battle of some sort, Which is better? But yes the more input I get from this wonderful forum, the more insight Ill have before I start. So far great information!

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Joey, Dave "The Dave" Cameron is a good friend of mine, as are the rest of the folks that will add their opinions on here. The comments he made... Particularly in the differences between pump and semi play are worth your reconsideration.
Yea, pump came first, but semi is by far more popular. Why? That might be a good question. One that might be better posed as a different project in the future.

I think that the best thing to focus your documentary on mostly is... Why people play pump.
Remember, lots of people who play pump, also like to play semi just as much.

I thought of a way to categorize the script might do well by introducing some of the manufacturers. Of those, I can only think of two. Yea, just two. The most successful would be CCI (Component Concept Inc.) Link Their marker is probably the most widely used pump, and it's called the Phantom.
It's design is based on, and is considered a clone from the very first marker used in the game. The Nelspot. Profile of the Nelspot marker.
Its valve train is considered to be one of the most efficient for use with twelve gram powerlets which makes it the obvious choice for stock play. That valve train is best known as a Nelson Valve.
The phantom is also considered to be a middle of the road product, rivaled only by their higher end competitor, maker of the CCM line of markers. Who not only makes great pumps, but also produces pneumatic components you can use to convert their line of pumps to be used as semis Link. Their design works off of the opposite realm, and operates off of a more standard valve train know as the Sheridan valve. Their markers, like your Illusion are predesessors of the Sheridan valve train based markers. The Nelspot needed a competitor, and so it was. The PG by Sheridan.
When these two relics of the sport hit the market, they had levers to load a round in the breech. Not pumps.
People started adding pump handles to their Nelspot and PG pumps to make receiving easier. Those mods were considered very innovative then. Story.

So there you have it. Two very popular manufacturers of pump markers that continue to prosper, using two totally different and very old valves designs.

There are other manufacturers, but none of them are able to compete with these two brands as far as sales are concerned that is.
We also enjoy the custom based pumps that are being produced by the likes of Earon Carter (Profile), Ken W. at KPCS - KPCS PaintBall,
Steve "Mongo" Brett @ http://www.desertduckdd68.com/index2.html, and our very own Claudio aka Rainman229, and many more to follow in their footsteps.

One more aspect to consider is the professional Pump player and teams.
Members of this forum are actually making final preparations to compete head to head against some of the best professional pump teams in the biz. More here.

Can anyone add anything? Feel free.

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Originally Posted by THE-SHOOTIST

I'm not a "High-D" member, but a 26 year veteran of paintball and former "Pro", if you care for my input, just ask. And no, pump never left. Old timers like me never put down their pumps, we just played with them against the semi-boys, and got bashed by the semi-boys for hosing them-with a pump. If that's possible.

Say what?

[THE-SHOOTIST]

Yup, that's the honest to God's truth.

[Hobbes]

I'm going to school for digital recording arts, I'd be happy to lend a hand if needed.

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Thanks for responding Hobes. Contact my nephew if you would, and tell him you know me personally.

Originally Posted by THE-SHOOTIST

Yup, that's the honest to God's truth.

That's why I'm using it as a signature Jeff.

[Dave Cameron]

Originally Posted by JoEyBaTTs

I totally agree, theres definitly two ways to go about this, I dont think I need to go the route of Divisiveness like you mentioned but the topics discussed will have to be compaired to non-pump, again...not having to show a negitive side to non-pump but for the people who dont know anything about paintball has to have a reference. I would like to input your idea on opening the eyes of non-pump players to the world of pump and giving it a try. Im not here to make enemies, although drama and conflict does often play better on film..coming from a film student, I was only going with what people might enjoy watching, some type of conflict or battle of some sort, Which is better? But yes the more input I get from this wonderful forum, the more insight Ill have before I start. So far great information!

Maybe it's because paintball is a chest-thumping combat-action sport, but other sports manage to have various divisions without all the negativity.

I think if you look at paintball like SCAA sports car racing you can see how pump and semi can coexist. Older race cars from the 60s and 70s in this example are like pump play. New high-tech race cars are like electro-semis. The guys in the old cars can see the benefits of a more powerful, lighter, aerodynamic car with computerized traction control and anti-lock brakes. At the same time, they prefer the feel and control that the older cars provide. They are aware of the effort and skill it takes to get the most out of their vehicles. They would never hand over control of the throttle or brakes to a computer - they feel it's their job to drive the car. And also importantly, the drivers feel like these cars just have style.

The guys driving these cars don't hate the guys in the new cars for enjoying their game, they just like playing it their way. They may wish that the other guys would give their game a try, but they might forget the considerable amount of time and practice it took them to get to the point they're at. For their part, the guys in the new cars appreciate the skill the "old " guys have, but they can't understand why anyone would prefer to compete with equipment that holds them back. Racing is about going fast, so choosing a car capable of more speed is the smart thing to do. The guys in the new cars may usually post the best times, but every once in a while one of the "old " guys gets the better of them. The reason it's so satisfying to win when you're disadvantaged is that you know you had to perform at your highest level to pull it off. When this happens in racing there may be some good-natured ribbing, but somehow the different classes still seem to compete on the same track (at some events at the same time) without animosity. And believe it or not, a lot of guys driving vintage cars this weekend might be driving a new 'vette next weekend. You can enjoy both styles if you're open minded and realize that they take different skills and actually complement eachother. The same can be said for enlightened paintballers.

[C5TEK]

I say very well put Dave Me having absolutely no clue on editing video and actually getting it to work. I have a ton of video from my barrel cam saved on my computer that you are welcome to use as filler for some first person POV action.

[JoEyBaTTs]

thats a good way of putting it dave, I agree with you 100%.. im coming down for the sunday 16th game, im definitly bringing the camera to get some interviews and footage, so I would like to know whos coming as well so I can prepare a shotlist and know how many people would like to get involved. Should this be started as a new thread? for ex. Sunday March 16th Documentary being shot on PUMP..whos down?

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I'm posting it here