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Old 03-09-2011, 11:36 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Beware: Running a Renegade field for profit...

It's gonna come up eventually. Might as well be that time.
Everyone knows the Gov. wants its share of the loot, so is there a risk? YES!
The question is how to avoid it.
First, you must trust your guests I guess. BUT!, what if one of them decided to give you the shaft?
This is where public property vs. private property comes into play.
There are laws. How are they applied here?
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Old 03-09-2011, 11:49 AM   #2 (permalink)
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If you are actively engaged in an activity and profit from it it is a business. Frankly even if you are not actively engaged and profit it is a business of some form.
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Old 03-09-2011, 12:42 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Aren't there laws about "hobby" businesses that are small enough? I could be wrong about that but I thought there was something to it.
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Old 03-09-2011, 12:45 PM   #4 (permalink)
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It is still income and all income is supposed to be claimed. There might be some leeway in licensing, etc - as most zoning rules where you can play paintball are pretty lax.
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I think a bigger issue than tax is liability. Pretty sure once you start taking peoples money your responsibility for their safety and general well being is increased.
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Old 03-09-2011, 02:06 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I dont know if this helps. But if you are given a "gift" worth more than $10K You are required to claim it as income. IDK if runnign a field for profit would fall under that or not. But if it's income I don't see why it wouldn't.
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Old 03-09-2011, 02:38 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I think Bob T Guy hit the real point. Taxes, permits, and licenses are in one class, because you expect to see the government coming for them and can prepare in some sense. You don't expect your best buddy to come after your assets to pay medical bills, loss of wages, etc. after he breaks his leg slipping on that pile of dog doo you neglected to clean up. I'm pretty sure you don't even have to take people's money for that to be a danger.

Also, my suspiscion is that far more people have convinced themselves that a certain action (i.e. profiting from a renegade paintball field without paying taxes) "should" be ok based on hopes and rationalizations than have actually researched their local laws. I don't think there is a single answer for every case, and that's where we're likely to get in trouble. What might be true for the guy on his back 40 in Oklahoma may not be true for the other guy on parks land in Maryland. Even if you find a loophole, or try to use semantics and call it something different, even if somebody already got away with it, it's still just something that might sound good over beers and/or the internet. Not much good in the face of your actual local laws, I'm afraid.
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Old 03-09-2011, 03:33 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I founds this that helps define the difference.

Business or Hobby? Answer Has Implications for Deductions
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It is still income and all income is supposed to be claimed. There might be some leeway in licensing, etc - as most zoning rules where you can play paintball are pretty lax.
Not so. If someone declares your little paintball op. a business you can get hosed!

Cobra Command in Montgomeryville PA had to increase their greens fees something like 15% just to include the tax for.... crap.. can't remember the term... but it was a local tax imposed on activities. And they had to have the area rezoned as there wasn't any area in the area where they could actually play as a business. And they only leased the building and field.

Then you have local laws that may prohibit discharging airguns/paintball guns ANYWHERE!

So just beyond making sure you are not breaking the law playing... taking that first couple bucks as a greens fee and not for chipping in to buy drinks and food could get you in trouble with the tax man.

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... taking that first couple bucks as a greens fee and not for chipping in to buy drinks and food could get you in trouble with the tax man.E
our house rule #1 : "This is not a business. If you think this is a business or expect business like services, get the hell out."

helps clear things up pretty quick.
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