General

[TiberiusArms]

It has come to our attention that Pepperball Technologies has released for sale to the public the SA-8 pistol which our company, Tiberius Arms manufactured for them based on their specifications. In the interest of public safety and customer satisfaction we felt it important to provide the general public with additional information about this product. First, it is important to understand that this product was never intended for any recreational activity and was not designed to fire .68 paintballs. This product was produced and sold only for use as a less than lethal weapon. It is also important to note that while this weapon appears similar to our Tiberius 8 (aka. T8, Tac 8, Tag 8) paintball pistol, internally there are numerous differences which makes their use in painball dangerous. After receiving and closely analyzing the SA-8, many of those who have purchased them have noticed that many parts are different. Many of the SA-8’s were built with a non-adjustable regulator and all were built with a fixed pressure relief valve. This means the SA-8 is missing key safety components designed for the sport of paintball. We realize that paintball player’s who purchased an SA-8 didn’t realize that what they were purchasing wasn’t suitable for paintball. Safety is of primary importance in the sport of paintball and manufacturer’s, distributor’s and player’s all have a responsibility to insure the equipment they are selling and/or using functions in a safe manner. Player’s attempting to refinish or rework an SA-8 for use in the sport of paintball are putting themselves and other player’s at risk. Tiberius Arms wants to do our part to ensure that these products are not used in the sport of paintball. Accordingly we will be working with field owners so they can recognize Tiberius manufactured less lethal products that are not suitable for use in the sport of paintball. In addition we would like to offer all of those who purchased an SA-8 Bundle with the intention of using it for paintball the opportunity to return said kit to us in exchange for a $100 Tiberius Arms gift certificate. Those with questions should contact Eric Bratten with Tiberius Arms at eric@tiberiusarms.com


Best regards,
Eric Bratten
VP Sales & Marketing
Tiberius Arms
260.478.2500 ext. 235
260.572.2210 fax
Eric@tiberiusarms.com
Tiberius Arms

[tencent]

I applaud you guys for trying to do the right thing for this before it became a major problem.

[Magoo]

HA! I knew nothing good would come of that. That's why I didn't do it...

Oh well. What will be will be. I hope all this gets settled smoothly!

[CrazyBoy78]

+42 internets for Tiberius for informing people before something bad happens.

[Surge-NS]

Moved to News forum for higher visibility.

[Party]

Well props to you for offering the option of sending them in for credit.

[cool0]

Ya, no thanks Tiberius. Mine is shooting at 270fps that is field legal and safe. I have owned multiple paintball pistols and none of them ever had a pressure reliefe valve. Therefore my gun not having an adjustable pressure reliefe valve doesn't bother me at all.

edit: this deserves to be on the front page.

Originally Posted by alpha434

That's definitely marketing shenanigans. The difference between the SA-8 and the T8 is the same difference between an Automag and a T8.

All paintball guns are "potentially lethal weapons". And agreeing to play means that you are agreeing to be shot with a potentially lethal weapon in a game setting.

What Tiberius is doing is protecting the value of their product. If suddenly SA-8s are everywhere for 100 bucks or less used, Tiberius will not be selling very many T8s. And used T8s will detract in value if you can get almost the same thing for 100 bucks new. The threat to contact fields about this holds little to no water. I'll give ten dollars to the first guy who gets turned away at a field without asking to be turned away. If your gun chronos under 300 consistently, then you're a-ok. And it's your personal responsibility to make sure that it does, regardless of how. And regardless of who made the gun and what it's intended purpose was.

You could make the same claims that Tiberius is making about custom guns. But if you can get them to shoot a field legal projectile at a field legal speed, you're good to go. Hell! Paintball originated from cow marking pistols. You can't tell me that you've always used a paintball gun that's intended purpose was paintball.

Last point, I promise. Denver PD issued a memo before the Democratic National Convention to turn their pepperball weapons down to 315fps. What do WE know about paintballs? They are frakkin inaccurate as hell above 315fps. Even non-lethal weapons cannot be missing their targets. And I feel sorry for the officer in legitimate danger who picks up an SA8 or anything else 68cal round projectile that is shooting 350fps. He's putting himself and innocent bystanders in more danger than if he was unarmed.

[souz4402]

$100 gift card wont get you a .68 cal pistol with 2 clips

[MondoMor]

Where can the $100 certificate be used?

Tiberius doesn't seem to have a store on their website. What is the MAP/MSRP/whatever price for a Tac 8 with mag from Tiberius Arms? Action Village wants $180, but I doubt they'd take a Tiberius gift certificate.

It seems like it would be smarter to sell the mags at ~$40 apiece and the "Pepperball" gun case as a novelty for $10 or more. That way I get about the same compensation, but in cash.

Unless the mags and case are also somehow "less lethal" and some busybody will report me for owning them.

[cool0]

Originally Posted by MondoMor

Tiberius doesn't seem to have a store on their website. What is the MAP/MSRP/whatever price for a Tac 8 with mag from Tiberius Arms? Action Village wants $180, but I doubt they'd take a Tiberius gift certificate.

It seems like it would be smarter to sell the mags at ~$40 apiece and the "Pepperball" gun case as a novelty for $10 or more. That way I get about the same compensation, but in cash.

Unless the mags and case are also somehow "less lethal" and some busybody will report me for owning them.

those mags have quick changes on them. that makes them worth $55 each.