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[sewiv]

Originally Posted by Lohman446

If you see someone doing something blatantly unsafe on a field you should just ignore it because its "sticking your nose in someone elses business"?

Shooting a marker that fires under 280 is blatantly unsafe?

[CovertRssian]

Originally Posted by Mayvik

And then how do you, Joe Fieldowner, determine that your 14 year old customer is shooting a "safe" SA-8.1 and not a "rogue" SA-8 said kid did not want to pay the $40 for an upgrade or just didn't read the forum? How do I know someone didn't cheap out on the $40 and use a homebrew "fix" that will actually work? Are you willing to accept the liability? Is Tiberius?

A half-assed solution is no solution at all.

You are correct, it would be pretty hard for fields to notice the difference.

I think the fields should just ask the person to shoot it over the chrono and if it spikes, have the person turn down the velocity until the spikes are in the safe zone, even after having the Air Chamber filled with liquid CO2. Yes this will result in crappy FPS when chamber is not full of liquid CO2, but it would be "safe".

[alpha434]

Originally Posted by Lohman446

So *if* an SA8 does indeed lack key safety components to be safely used in paintball Tiberius should not make it known? If you see someone doing something blatantly unsafe on a field you should just ignore it because its "sticking your nose in someone elses business"?

Again, kudos to Tiberius from my perspective, I am going to avoid the argument above though for the sake of the thread, I think we already had it for 35 pages.

This isn't individual morality within the sport of paintball. This is one company saying that another company's product shouldn't be used.

This would be like Dye claiming that Luxe's guns aren't any good.

And what defines safe? Numerous individuals have proven that the SA8 fires within tolerance. And what's more, the safety vent (the primary difference between a T8 and the SA8) is rarely set properly by people who use T8s.

Kudos to Tiberius. Obviously they think that they're doing the right thing. But this is definitely small picture thinking. It's arrogant to claim responsibility for another company's product. And I hope that it doesn't open the doors for regulation on what markers are "good" and what aren't.

I really think the only way this situation could get any better is if Tippmann offered a 75 dollar rebate and releases a memo saying that all of Tiberius' products are unsafe.

[HP_Lovecraft]

Originally Posted by CovertRssian

I think the fields should just ask the person to shoot it over the chrono and if it spikes, have the person turn down the velocity until the spikes are in the safe zone

I think most every paintgun made would spike if you filled the valve with liquid. (expect obviously early 90s liquid guns).

[Mayvik]

Originally Posted by alpha434

This isn't individual morality within the sport of paintball. This is one company saying that another company's product shouldn't be used.

This would be like Dye claiming that Luxe's guns aren't any good.

My SA-8 says Tiberius / Veritas on the side...does yours say Pepperball? Tiberius manufactured the gun, it's branded with their name. Pepperball just sold it to the wrong customers. It's like buying a Spyder from Walmart..Spyder is still responsible.

Who does the chrono checks at your local field? Is it a knowledgeable paintball expert familiar with the intricacies of CO2, which markers are banned by a manufacturer, or anything else technical? Or is a 16 year old ref working a part-time job to make a few bucks or score some free field time? No offense to anyone, but I don't trust most field employees as far as I can throw them, be it with safety checks on markers or filling tanks.

I wouldn't be surprised if some fields had a blanket rule of "anyone with a pistol needs to check it in with the owner first" after this. Rest assured that when I see other players with T8s I'm going to be checking them out to make sure I'm not getting shot with an SA-8.

[de-evoproject]

i don't think most of you are understanding that these things won't spike all the time and can be chrono'd under 300fps. The problem is there is no safety to prevent them from spiking 340+fps and they have been proven to be able to do it. If you and your friends want to shoot each other with a gun that can spike that high, be my guest. Go play some outlaw ball on your property and do whatever the hell you want.

Don't dare bring that thing to my local field tho. If i were to get hit with a gun shooting over 340 and found out you were shooting a gun you KNEW could do that, i'm gonna dig deep into my Irish bloodline and pull out my "can 'a feckin' whoop arse". And thats as long as i'm NOT seriously injured and none of my gear (like my mask) gets damaged by your blatant disregard for others safety.

Using these on a commercial paintball field is just greedy and inconsiderate.
You guys all want Tiberius to be responsible for YOUR decision to purchase these, WTF.

How about this, take a little friggin responsibility and consider everyone's safety that you are gonna be pointing this thing at. You bought it, its not for paintball, your fault and your problem. You don't like and don't want to take Tiberius's offer, fine, don't. But don't try to make Tiberius responsible for YOUR actions.

Rant over.

[trueblue]

Welcome to Threadlocker 101. Here we go again about the hows and whys which will end up getting people warned and any threads like this one closed. I'm glad Tiberius has come to terms that the magazines are the real gold in the deal. At least to me. I appreciate their efforts in going 1:1 on the kit and I don't hold anything against the shipping. But.. I don't like being forced into a corner. I don't care what they call them or what you want to say about them, It's a paintball marker to me and would be used as such. Safely and with sportsmanship. Arguing about the future, hypothetical situations, potential lawsuits and all the rest is pointless to the point of frustration. No one is going to alter their actions and again, the best way to get something done is to tell some people they can't do it. They should have made an upgraded back block available and left it at that. I bet none of these threads would be anywhere near the top anymore if they did that. But I don't care anymore. I found a solution all my own.

And personally, I'll be watching Pepperball to dump all the pro-carbines, A-5's, and 98 platinum's. Because those are paintball markers, Without all the regulator and relief valve controversy, that has caused all this grief.

[CovertRssian]

Originally Posted by alpha434

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Kudos to Tiberius. Obviously they think that they're doing the right thing. But this is definitely small picture thinking. It's arrogant to claim responsibility for another company's product. And I hope that it doesn't open the doors for regulation on what markers are "good" and what aren't.
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Honestly this has been my main concern, I probably will pick up a real T8 here soon (since I have a Lapco Barrel, remote and bunch of magazines). But I'm afraid that insurance companies or who ever will say no more modified guns.

[I-Tech]

What about THE POLICE WHO USE THESE THINGS ,why would they make a gun without an important safety feature .maybe this gun should be banned across the board.

[ajmidget]

Originally Posted by trueblue

Welcome to Threadlocker 101. Here we go again about the hows and whys which will end up getting people warned and any threads like this one closed. I'm glad Tiberius has come to terms that the magazines are the real gold in the deal. At least to me. I appreciate their efforts in going 1:1 on the kit and I don't hold anything against the shipping. But.. I don't like being forced into a corner. I don't care what they call them or what you want to say about them, It's a paintball marker to me and would be used as such. Safely and with sportsmanship. Arguing about the future, hypothetical situations, potential lawsuits and all the rest is pointless to the point of frustration. No one is going to alter their actions and again, the best way to get something done is to tell some people they can't do it. They should have made an upgraded back block available and left it at that. I bet none of these threads would be anywhere near the top anymore if they did that. But I don't care anymore. I found a solution all my own.

And personally, I'll be watching Pepperball to dump all the pro-carbines, A-5's, and 98 platinum's. Because those are paintball markers, Without all the regulator and relief valve controversy, that has caused all this grief.

sorry, a cop on here (scrounger i think) posted that his department has several pro carbine launchers and all of them have modified valves