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[sewiv]

Originally Posted by de-evoproject

Don't dare bring that thing to my local field tho. If i were to get hit with a gun shooting over 340 and found out you were shooting a gun you KNEW could do that,

You mean, like a VM-68? Want a VM to chrony "safe", hold it with the tank valve up. When you need it to go 350+, hold it valve down for a minute. VMs LOVE liquid CO2, they fling paint far with a valve full of liquid.

This is just CO2, it's how it works. They came up with this great idea of a blow-off valve, that's awesome. There are a LOT of guns out there that will shoot hot with liquid CO2 in the valve and chrony just fine. Are we banning all of them too?

[Mayvik]

Originally Posted by sewiv

You mean, like a VM-68? Want a VM to chrony "safe", hold it with the tank valve up. When you need it to go 350+, hold it valve down for a minute. VMs LOVE liquid CO2, they fling paint far with a valve full of liquid.

This is just CO2, it's how it works. They came up with this great idea of a blow-off valve, that's awesome. There are a LOT of guns out there that will shoot hot with liquid CO2 in the valve and chrony just fine. Are we banning all of them too?

The difference is you controlling it. If you're intentionally manipulating the chronograph so you can shoot hot, you should be ejected. If your gun is accidentally shooting hot because of a design flaw (or in this case, unintended use), then it should be ejected.

[PistolRogue]

Sorry guys, siding with Tiberius here. As a liability issue to the fields, I don't blame them either. And frankly, all of you who bought them saw how it said "not for paintball use" when you did, so nuts to you if you bought it anyway.

[Christian Nelson]

Maybe ALL of Tiberius guns should be banned! From what I can tell, there's a serious question about whether the "marker" stamped ones really control their velocity either!

As for liquid, just about everyone I see who uses a paintball gun carries it when walking around, barrel down. That pretty much ensures that the first shot they take will be hot when using CO2.. This is why many fields are begining to ban CO2 use..

I could see if this were an electro firing 30bps being a concern, if a bunch of them comming out would be hot.. Truth be told, most of y'all whining about hot shots, and how you'd assault anyone who hit you with 350fps are mentally deficient.

You've probably been hit by that velocity several times over your career, and never even noticed it..

I like the idea of Tippman coming out and saying Tiberius guns are unsafe.. Anything with a regulator, running CO2 has this VERY same problem. There is no way you can know for sure if everyone who is playing has set their adjustable blow off on their gun right or not. Even a palmers stab will have issues if someone assembles it, and gets locktite or something in the reg.

No, I think Tiberius guns are all unsafe, and I am going to beat anyone I see with a Tiberius with a baseball bat if they shoot at me..

Jeez what a bunch of foolishness.

Sometimes I am really glad I play "outlaw" only, so I avoid most of the silly politics of this sport. Tiberius guns are all unsafe ya'll. They will shoot hot, I garuntee it. And if that means it's the end of the world for it to be 50fps over, then you'd all better switch to regulated compressed air, and give up the pistols and pumps with .12g's because they all have this issue.

[sewiv]

Originally Posted by Mayvik

The difference is you controlling it. If you're intentionally manipulating the chronograph so you can shoot hot, you should be ejected. If your gun is accidentally shooting hot because of a design flaw (or in this case, unintended use), then it should be ejected.

Put the SA8 in a holster, the valve fills with liquid, and because there's no relief valve (or it's set high), it goes hot.

Put a T8 in a holster, the valve fills with liquid, and if the relief valve is cranked closed (not uncommon), it goes hot.

Difference? A chance that IF the relief valve is set properly, it'll blow off the excess pressure.

[MeÐiC]

Eric

Is it possible we can send in these SA-8s and have TA convert them to T8s?

Or do you have any T8s available for sale so we can use the $50 vouchers on those?

I have no interest in a T8.1 but would like another T8.

[marker]

I have to side with Tiberius in this also.

As they have pointed out, on the SA-8's if the O-ring in the regulator fails your next shot(s) would actually get full power unregulated CO2 in the chamber without any warning; so having the pressure relief valve is critical to insure safety and consistancy.

In most current production paintball markers if an O-ring goes out it will vent off as a leak that you must fix before you can continue to play.

Looking at the facts that have been discussed extensively this O-ring can/will be subjected to liquid CO2. It is known that the freeze/thaw of liquid CO2 can cause premature failure of O-rings. So the more that you use it, the higher the risk that this O-ring can fail.

Which explains why Tiberius designed the adjustable relief valve into the T-8 and t-9 paintball markers.

And before someone points it out yet again about how some people crank the adjustable relief valves up too high I ask: is that Tiberius's fault? Tiberius installed the relief valve and published the instructions on how to use it. So I would have to say no.

[Python]

Originally Posted by MeÐiC

Eric

Is it possible we can send in these SA-8s and have TA convert them to T8s?

Or do you have any T8s available for sale so we can use the $50 vouchers on those?

I have no interest in a T8.1 but would like another T8.

Same here.

[TeleFragger]

Originally Posted by Python

Same here.

add me to that boot....
i would like to get a tac8 to retain my mags... on fleabay a guy has tac8 mags for $48 shipped.... each so that definitely means keeping the 2 mags and returning the marker and pickup a t8 is well worth it... problem is what to do with the $50 credit as a t8 is not on the list...


on a side note.. i may return mine to tiberius for $100... towards something.. not sure yet... but i am waiting to hear back from a ebay guy... to get a tac8.1 with 3 mags... so maybe some mods for it or more mags or fs rounds....... not sure yet...

[HP_Lovecraft]

Originally Posted by Python

Same here.

He said no, as it would require not only an entirely new rear block, but also a new upper receiver, with a new serial number, and assorted springs. Plus with the cost of labor, it would end up costing pretty much the same as just buying a new T8.

Maybe ALL of Tiberius guns should be banned! From what I can tell, there's a serious question about whether the "marker" stamped ones really control their velocity either!

You would think Tiberius would tread carefully because they have indirectly admitted that the Tac8 suffers from the exact same problem as the S8.
The vast majority of T8 owners do not set the relief valve, since they assume the gun works perfectly fine by leaving it alone. Some might get irritated with the random venting, and crank it all the way up.

Then the difference between the 2 guns is gone. And if the SA8 then so is the T8. I would imagine a field owner who is casually following this situation might have no choice but to ban all Tiberius guns for the FLAW in the design that they have admitted to. This shows liability for both the SA8, T8, and T9 as well.

Oh course this is all academic, as most fields do not care about the industry as there is no regulatory authority in paintball.

But the notes about Co2 were pretty apt. Before HPA, most everyone ran siphon tanks to avoid the spike issues. Thats what I have run, and will always run in my fullsize paintguns.

Co2, when not siphoned, can be very unpredictable, but its still the primary powersource in paintball, and like Christian Nelson noted, some fields have in fact banned co2 for this reason.

The SA8 is no more dangerous then many guns. And some simple fixes, like a large reduction in volume, or adjustable vent, can make it safer then the T8.