Boston Police scrapping FN303's - Page 2

ScrapIron · 02-22-2007, 04:22 PM

Obviously we should destroy the city of Boston so that nothing like this can ever happen again.

B · 02-22-2007, 04:24 PM

The problem all starts with the Police supervises, they handed the guns out to untrained officers. The guns are not for close use of crowd control but that is what the supervisors used them for. The FN were originally acquired for DC to be deployed from roof tops not the ground. I know a few State Troopers that were on site the night of the riot they told some of the ground supervisors that the FN were being deployed incorrectly. ( deaf ears reigned that night)

Azzy · 02-22-2007, 04:48 PM

You are all missing the point here....

Where is this factory, and does anyone have a contact there?

Carter? B?

If we can slip someone a few bucks, we may be able to get our hands on some second hand airguns

(If they were firearms, that would be illegal [I think], but according to the atf...)

DarkStar · 02-22-2007, 04:52 PM

I wish I could find the picture that was floating around AO a while ago of testing Tom did with the FN. It was putting dents in a steel clad door. It's not just a suped up Paintball thrower.

-MR

Edit: Azzy, I think they are made in Belgium: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_303

Muzikman at AO has the only one I know of owned by an individual.

respiegel · 02-22-2007, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkStar

I wish I could find the picture that was floating around AO a while ago of testing Tom did with the FN. It was putting dents in a steel clad door. It's not just a suped up Paintball thrower.

-MR

agreed, i've seen paintballs due some serious tissue damage with not used right, the FN's are less lethal not idiot proof. they're still meant to hurt people, just not kill them.
every less than lethal weapons system has its problems and can kill somebody if used wrong, training is the key to all of them.

DarkStar · 02-22-2007, 05:05 PM

OK, Interesting. This site is selling them. 900 beans and one can be yours!

-MR

Mirage · 02-22-2007, 05:13 PM

Hmm, easier solution. Stop riots altogether. Instead of figuring out non-lethal methods, up you equipment to lethal weapons. Save time and money.

incynr8 · 02-22-2007, 05:19 PM

I see few if any, people here were even IN a riot they didn't start or want to bring the noise in....

Try escaping from a huge mass of rioters sometime when you do NOT want to participate in such behavior. It's possible, but it isn't as quick as it may seem and depends on circumstance and location. It took me about 30 mins to get out of the Penn State Riot in 1996?

If you are going to say "then never go anywhere that can happen', that would include all sporting events and concerts too. It is always possible in some extent and being a total non particpant in a mass of people trying to leave as a well amounst those particpating in the front line against the cops leaves you one escape route already closed, the area you are mostly likely to be 'subdued', or in the above post, mowed down.........

Azzy · 02-22-2007, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkStar

I wish I could find the picture that was floating around AO a while ago of testing Tom did with the FN. It was putting dents in a steel clad door. It's not just a suped up Paintball thrower.

-MR

Edit: Azzy, I think they are made in Belgium: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_303

Muzikman at AO has the only one I know of owned by an individual.

Mike- Not that factory.. the factory where they are being melted down.

DarkStar · 02-22-2007, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by incynr8

I see few if any, people here were even IN a riot they didn't start or want to bring the noise in....

Try escaping from a huge mass of rioters sometime when you do NOT want to participate in such behavior. It's possible, but it isn't as quick as it may seem and depends on circumstance and location. It took me about 30 mins to get out of the Penn State Riot in 1996?

If you are going to say "then never go anywhere that can happen', that would include all sporting events and concerts too. It is always possible in some extent and being a total non particpant in a mass of people trying to leave as a well amounst those particpating in the front line against the cops leaves you one escape route already closed, the area you are mostly likely to be 'subdued', or in the above post, mowed down.........

Absolutely true. Especially at a sporting event or concert where there are few exits and everyone is corraled in. I was caught up in a similar circumstance at Garden State Arts center (PNC Bank arts center

)

WHo'd of thought Blues Traveler fans would be such trouble makers!

-MR

02-22-2007, 04:48 PM	#13 (permalink)
Azzy Mod-O-Rator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Finleyville, PA	You are all missing the point here.... Where is this factory, and does anyone have a contact there? Carter? B? If we can slip someone a few bucks, we may be able to get our hands on some second hand airguns (If they were firearms, that would be illegal [I think], but according to the atf...) __________________ Bryan "Azzy" Spiegel Riverside Renegade Paintball / C.C. S.V.S. Plankowner - LPPC#6 "It is my right to be uncommon—if I can. I seek opportunity—not security. I do not wish to be a kept citizen, humbled and dulled by having the state look after me. I want to take the calculated risk; to dream and to build, to fail and to succeed. I refuse to barter incentive for a dole. I prefer the challenges of life to the guaranteed existence; the thrill of fulfillment to the stale calm of utopia. I will not trade freedom for beneficence nor my dignity for a handout. I will never cower before any master nor bend to any threat. It is my heritage to stand erect, proud and unafraid; to think and act for myself, enjoy the benefit of my creations and to face the world boldly and say, “This I have done.” - Dean Alfange

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02-22-2007, 04:22 PM	#11 (permalink)
ScrapIron Cobra Paintball Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Central Iowa	Obviously we should destroy the city of Boston so that nothing like this can ever happen again.

02-22-2007, 05:19 PM	#18 (permalink)
incynr8 MCB Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Amidst the Forest Creatures	I see few if any, people here were even IN a riot they didn't start or want to bring the noise in.... Try escaping from a huge mass of rioters sometime when you do NOT want to participate in such behavior. It's possible, but it isn't as quick as it may seem and depends on circumstance and location. It took me about 30 mins to get out of the Penn State Riot in 1996? If you are going to say "then never go anywhere that can happen', that would include all sporting events and concerts too. It is always possible in some extent and being a total non particpant in a mass of people trying to leave as a well amounst those particpating in the front line against the cops leaves you one escape route already closed, the area you are mostly likely to be 'subdued', or in the above post, mowed down.........