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[spymongoose]

Originally Posted by Shane-O

Actually there were few parts that the Illusion and Cocker/Sniper share, Barrel threading is the only one I can think of. The internals were all proprietary (sp?). They were nice guns, but production had a few issues. Several came to customers with metal shavings inside, but hadnt heard of that of many problems. Velocity adjustment was very finicky, they needed to add a hammer spring adjuster, instead of just a valve spring adjuster, both would have been cool................

I thought that the illusion was advertised as 80% cocker compatible... and a rex dialer should fit nicely in place in the back. I thought the bolt lenth was identical to the 2k WGP bolts, hammer and springs were supposedly interchangeable... or so the ads led me to believe...

[Shane-O]

Originally Posted by spymongoose

I thought that the illusion was advertised as 80% cocker compatible... and a rex dialer should fit nicely in place in the back. I thought the bolt lenth was identical to the 2k WGP bolts, hammer and springs were supposedly interchangeable... or so the ads led me to believe...

You maybe right about the Rex dialer, gotta look at that. The hammer spring yes, the valve spring no, its extra, extra long. Never measured the bolt, gotta check that too. the hammer IIRC has a different sear system, your gonna make me look at it all over again Sunday at the field aren't ya?...........

[Artimis]

Wow, 6 pages of very interesting discussion.

In the end, however, I have only one question....to which markers are you alluding to?

Originally Posted by Walking_Target

... the new WGP stuff isn't really even autocockers anymore, they have an EP (a-la Timmy) and the retarded love child of a Timmy and an e2'd cocker.

BTW, I LOVE the Avatar.

[Walking_Target]

Originally Posted by Artimis

Wow, 6 pages of very interesting discussion.

In the end, however, I have only one question....to which markers are you alluding to?



BTW, I LOVE the Avatar.

the particular markers i'm refering to are the Worrlord and the Worrlock.

one is basically a timmy under the WGP name, the other is similar to the Black Magic autococker from 06(?) with the internal pump rod, except both now have 'body pannels' for cosmetic reasons (a la the SP Ion)

the problem i really have with their 'autococker' offering is that it really isn't an autococker anymore. there's no front block, no back block, no 4-way.

basically, they've stripped out everything that made the Autococker what it was in an effort to appeal to the tournament kids, as soon as they removed both the front and the back blocks, it ceased being an autocoker to me, and became 'reminicent of an auto-cocking marker'


i do have to agree that in the past several years, it was the Trillogy that was the greatest sucess of WGP. while they did eliminate the front block, they kept all the major components and most importantly, the cycling backblock, while making it far more affordable to newer players.

if i have the free cash, at some point i'd love to pick up a trillogy just to have one on hand.... alas, i am a college student, and free cash is somewhat of an oxymoron.

[glaman5266]

Originally Posted by Walking_Target

i do have to agree that in the past several years, it was the Trillogy that was the greatest sucess of WGP. while they did eliminate the front block, they kept all the major components and most importantly, the cycling backblock, while making it far more affordable to newer players.

if i have the free cash, at some point i'd love to pick up a trillogy just to have one on hand.... alas, i am a college student, and free cash is somewhat of an oxymoron.

Agreed. The Trilogys are the perfect noob cockers- really popular w/our local rec players.

About WGP, I do agree it's crappy that they're going away from what they're famous for. But it seems to me that they're kinda torn between staying w/their expertise and trying to keep up w/the market. I kinda expected this for a while now.

It's a shame people are straying from cockers. Many locals 'round here though are starting to get into them again though (myself included), which is always nice to see.