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Old 03-07-2011, 01:08 AM   #21 (permalink)
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The real genius of this promotion is that it encourages players, especially younger players, who are dedicated to the hobby to involve other people and commit them to playing a certain amount. Adding a financial incentive to stick with the hobby and one's team should help both team cohesion and player retention.

Field owners and event promoters should be applauding a scheme like this.
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Old 03-07-2011, 10:13 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Empire needs to pick up Blackrain. He actually talks about (talks up) his sponsors. He appreciates his sponsors' investment in him and in turn, actively spreads the word on his sponsors. which is exactly what sponsors look for.


This "sponsorship" deal is pretty par for the course. If you are not Pro or in the higher divisions, you get a "team"/"sponsorship" discount (instead of free) on their gear. different packages for different needs. Typically the manufacturers will engage a local paintball shop that will get training for fixing markers and also push their wares... in return, the local shop gets "authorized reseller" moniker and discounts.
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sponsorship = group buy. If we put together enough people wanting the exact same thing from PPS wouldn't they give us a discount?

I know eclipse was doing it a few years ago and by what some of the "sponsored" players said they weren't allowed to use anything but eclipse guns in any tourney.

Another way to think about it is that the high end manufacturers are finally trying to sell field packages like tippman has been doing for years.
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Empire needs to pick up Blackrain. He actually talks about (talks up) his sponsors. He appreciates his sponsors' investment in him and in turn, actively spreads the word on his sponsors. which is exactly what sponsors look for.


This "sponsorship" deal is pretty par for the course. If you are not Pro or in the higher divisions, you get a "team"/"sponsorship" discount (instead of free) on their gear. different packages for different needs. Typically the manufacturers will engage a local paintball shop that will get training for fixing markers and also push their wares... in return, the local shop gets "authorized reseller" moniker and discounts.
It would be nice,but I have this thing about wearing other peoples logos on my jersey. I doubt they would like that I run Team Black Rain as I see fit and not their way

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Old 03-09-2011, 04:22 AM   #26 (permalink)
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My opinion of sponsorship


Sponsorship




So letís talk about the big word ďSponsorshipĒ. To some it means making a name for themselves in Paintball, to others itís a status. To me itís ďHelp to give back to this great sportĒ when I can.

Iíve only played in a few Tournaments in my 23yrs of playing. I really suck at the game and Iím no one special. My body is beat up from 21 yrs of military service. Iím overweight and smoke. I probably run the 40 yard dash in 90 seconds, so that tells you how fast I really am.

Every so often I can still pull out a great move on the field. I think Iím even friendly to people I meet at other fields. Man I hope I donít annoy any of you.

I travel way to much with my job and canít even make a big or major event.

So how did I get all my sponsors. Maybe this will help some of you.

To be very honest this all started out as a JOKE, just poking fun at sponsorship in general. However all that took a turn for the better. I was approached by a well known person in paintball and on the MCB forum.

We exchanged a few emails and next thing you know I have a sponsor. Nothing expensive, just a decent discount for supplies. I didnít take advantage as some would do, because he is just a small business and depends on retail to keep him afloat.

Then it all of a sudden fell into place. Small business was were itís at. I didnít just pick them random, They were people who had helped me in the past and still continue to help me to this day.

I review a lot of my sponsorís items, and if you have read any of my reviews, you know Iím truthful about what I write. I donít care who gave it to me, if it was free or at a discount, Iím going to be truthful about it. I canít help my sponsors or players if I lie about a product.

One thing a lot of players forget, small business can become big companies. If they donít become big companies, then they stay small and still provide an excellent service to you and the community.

So in other words I wanted to help out those who helped me any way that I can/could.


Do I have an advantage:

Yes I do in a way. I travel the US and the World with my job. I travel with my gear, so Iím able to play when I can. Thus reaching a larger player base for my sponsors. I have a lot of fun doing it. My goal is to eventually meet all my sponsors within the next yr or so.


Sponsorship:

Well it has been a yr since I enquired about sponsorship from a few places. To be honest, it was very easy. Itís really about presentation and how you ask the person(s).
When you speak to a prospective sponsor, appearance is everything. Body language and English language. Be respectful at all times. Most of the sponsors I deal with, know me or know of me. They know Iím a straight up guy who will keep my word.

I posted a very truthful resume about myself, and let the sponsors know what I could and canít do for them. They were very understanding about all of it.

I think what kind of threw some off was that I was just a one man team. I donít think that itís rare, but kind of odd in a way. I was surprised that some took the chance, but then again, look at how much money they saved with me.

Iím not very good, I careless if I win or loose. I canít run very fast, so Iím really slow. I guess because I love the game so much, and just play to have fun, was a main reason. Also I am very thankful for help that I have received from companies in the past.

Many were happy with the reviews I wrote and the business I bought them long before I even considered sponsorship. It was just my way of saying ďThank YouĒ for the quality service that was provided.


Free Stuff:

Iím often asked if I get ďFREE STUFFĒ and the answer is ďYESĒ. However that
ďFREE STUFFĒ is given away to young players starting out or to a local field for them to test or use on their equipment. Remember, ďNOTHING IS FREEĒ in a sponsorship. There is a price to pay for having sponsorship.
Sponsored items are something that is to be shared with other players who canít afford or do not have or could be potential customers. At least thatís the way I look at it.

For example, if a player has fogged goggles, I better be applying some Fog Doc on them, even if it means missing a game. Thatís what my sponsor would expect from me. Thatís the responsibility I took on accepting the items and sponsorship.

Itís my job to make sure I show the player how itís used, how to apply it and what to use to clean it.
Itís also my responsibility to make sure that players leave with a free sample and ordering instructions.

Maybe he/she wonít order an item, but Iím sure he/she will let their buddy use it and he/she may order some.


Discounts:

Yes I get discounts. If someone wants to test drive one of my sponsorís barrels, I better let them use it. How else can they know for sure if thatís what they want. I better know the specs and who makes it. Be able to tell them the history of the barrel and how to order it.
When I get a discount, I buy just what I need.
For example, I only use 100 round pods. I bought 12 from my sponsor at a discount.

I have a lot of 100 round pods, enough to hold two cases of paint at one time. I make sure my sponsors pods are loaded and used first before I use another. Even the Pit Crew knows that.

A few months back I lost two on the field. A young man returned them to me and I let him keep them. One for honesty and the other reason was to help him out. He didnít have many pods and I know money is tight. He probably saved his ďLawn MowerĒ money for a few months just to make that weekend. It didnít hurt me any and it put a smile on his face.
He left happy and I felt good, but he also left with a sponsor flyer. Maybe heíll use it sometime down the road when he has a little more money in his pocket. Maybe he will do the same thing I did for him when he has a sponsor. There is always a positive reaction in paintball.



What not to do:

It is team policy not to get hundreds of dollars worth of items from our sponsors. Itís just not right. They have bills and families. Money is tight all around. Even with companies.

Being a one man team makes decisions very easy.

There is no arguing with team members and items that we receive, are needed and well appreciated. The items are put to good use. No commitment to a team or tournament is a great feeling. Knowing Iím not going to hear any whining or crying about my choices in products or sponsors. Iím free to promote my sponsors as I please and my way.

My Wife who is my pit crew usually directs me towards a person who needs help. There are times I do not wish to be bothered, but what kind of player would that make me. That is why I choose the playing style I play. I can take a few games off to help a player with gun issues or fogged goggles. I donít have to worry about other team members. Also my team reputation is on the line.

I would like to say that our total sponsor package for the 2011 season has probably reached an all time high of $150 total of all sponsorís combined items.

To many players, That does not seem like a lot, but for what we have received, that will last well thru 2011 and probably into half of 2012 season. Iím not wasteful with items. Just because Iím sponsored, does not mean that I get items every time I call.

Iím working on a gun sponsorship now. Nothing fancy no real big name. Itís something new and old thatís on the market. I have already made the deal and he understands that this will not be my main gun. I still prefer my 99Ē Auto Cocker over any gun I have used.
He understands that and is okay with it.

What I will do after Iím done playing with it for the day. Iíll let other players use it and test drive it for a game. Get their feed back on it and help my sponsor improve on his item with player feed back.

The gun will not be free, it will be at a discount but it will be mine to use as I please. Promoting him and his product is priority, as with all my sponsors.

Now many players wouldnít take a gun unless it was a big name sponsor or a $1000+ gun. Hey you take what you can get. Bad Company did not do to bad when they were shooting stock Spyders for a season.

This gun probably wonít be ready for a while, but I can wait without putting pressure on him.



My Contract Agreements:

Well letís just say they are not bound by paper work, but by the WORD OF TWO MEN making an agreement to up hold a promise. I know in this day and time thatís a hard thing to do or even hear of, but thatís how I conduct business.

The option I leave my Sponsor, they can walk at anytime due to not being happy with me or are just plain tired with paintball, or financial hardship has hit them. No ill feelings. I wonít talk or post bad about them on forums. Thatís not what grown men do.

I guess the total over view of all this is not to be Greedy and accept what you are offered. Donít try and go after a major brand, especially if your starting out. Help to promote your local small Paintball business or smaller companies on line. Your treated a lot better, itís more personal, you wonít have the stress that major companies put on you to win.



SPONSORSHIP IS EARNED and NOT JUST GIVEN.

Many new players feel that they should get sponsors right off the bat, just because they have been a team for two months and have been playing for 4 months.
Just because you shoot an EGO, doesnít mean you deserve sponsorship from Planet Eclipse. What you really need to do is sit back and ask yourself, what you have really done for the sport of paintball. Have you really paid your dues that you deserve to have their items in your stable?

To be honest, If a company gave me just a shake and shoot hopper, Iíd promote the HELL out of it. Reason, because I would be very proud to know that they thought of me that much to give it to me. Iím that type of player and always will be.

As of now, Team Black Rain will have 10 sponsors to carry into the 2011 season. We are very happy that they are willing to take a chance with us and appreciate they accept how much I travel with my job. They understand that I cannot attend major events or play as often as most do. Itís just an understanding that we have. I canít change my life just for paintball. The real world doesnít work that way.


Thanks To:

Celanis Paintball
Whiskey Two Four
Mcarter Brown
Oregon Hydrographics
B&M Chainmaille and Jewelry
Fog Doc
Oring Monkey
FoxxyFluff Paintball
Nanaís Bandanas (Thanks Mom)
RobertSR Grips

Standards:

You have to have standards when you pick a sponsor. Well atleast I do. Since a one man team cannot always travel or attend major events, I have to carefully pick and choose who I ask.

If I was offered a major company sponsorship (which I know will never happen),doesn't mean I'll accept it. I have to make sure it's what I want in my stable. It has to fit the team profile.

Truthfully I wouldn't accept one of the newest guns on the market if it was given to me for free. I would really have no need for it and possibly the company. I just check out all the others who have spent money on them Ask questions and maybe play a game with it. Then if I like it,I'll research it and probably buy a used one.

I run my team how I see fit,and play where I want to. I can't let a company regulate me. I created Team Blackrain many yrs ago. I'm not going to let a company or individual ruin it.

It is nice seeing my team name on a few of my sponsors pages. That to me is just perfect. It's nice knowing I can just have fun when I'm playing and stop playing for the day when I want. No sponsor looking over my back wondering why I'm not winning or making game winning moves.

I like the fact that my Team Jersey doesn't look like a NASCAR racing suit. Stickers are put on as an option if I decide to. That's why I have a Helmet.

I do manage to make sure I keep my sponsors seperate. That meaning,if I get MOLLE from one place,I'm not going to accept MOLLE from another sponsor,with out the permission of my Tactical sponsor. It's just not good business.

I have a sponsor that provides lense for my mask,I won't accept a set of lenses from another sponsor. They are designated as my sponsor for pods and other items.

In doing this I keep peace with myself and able to keep peace with my sponsors. They all provide a unique service and I want to keep it that way. It's just nice knowing that I can try and help out a few great people that the paintball community hasn't heard of,or heard very little of.

Also I have known a few of these guys for a few yrs and I would like to keep them as my friends.

What I have learned on this path I have traveled, Itís not easy having sponsorship. Itís my responsibility to write reviews. My responsibility to have a banner made. My responsibility to make sure their name is put out to the public. Try and make big events even if they are local.

Trial and error has taught me a few things and all I can do is get better. This is a different yr and a new season.

If you see us at an event or your field, come on up and say hello. I donít bite very hard these days. Age is catching up.

Later,
Blackrain

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Old 03-09-2011, 04:52 PM   #27 (permalink)
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sponsorship = group buy. If we put together enough people wanting the exact same thing from PPS wouldn't they give us a discount?

I know eclipse was doing it a few years ago and by what some of the "sponsored" players said they weren't allowed to use anything but eclipse guns in any tourney.

Another way to think about it is that the high end manufacturers are finally trying to sell field packages like tippman has been doing for years.

Times are tuff for everyone,even large companies. So making package deals is probably the best thing now. Many stores did this way back in the day,and it worked perfect.

Throwing the word sponsorship in front of it gives a good insentive for stating teams to get noticed. It also gets the company name out there and helps sales in stores.

So it does have it's strong points.
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Don't be shy about it either. If I have it I'll give you some

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Old 03-11-2011, 04:08 AM   #30 (permalink)
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God...If that video is anything like the new tv show it's going to tank. Why can't paintball people come up with anything better than this?

Besides, the tv show comes on a channel i've never heard of and only on dishes so the chances of someone not finding a better show to watch on their 3000 channels and stops on the paintball show is slim. Well, I guess paintball on tv is what they wanted!

I hate ranting about this crap all the time but I just gotta. It's rediculous.
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