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Old 10-09-2012, 06:07 PM   #1291 (permalink)
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Had the humble privilege of testing the Hawaii Prototype for over a year now. I agree that it is "A fresh approach to what we're seeing today from CCM." The simplicity of the J12 will amaze you. Anyone can tech this marker. The breakdown is simple and fast. The marker has become my choice over all other CCM markers made in all types of weather. I am excited and look forward to the release date for all to enjoy. The year long testing has led to design changes for the final production model. A larger in diameter, hollow, guide rod and new lengthened valve chamber took away the "farting" noise seen in the early prototypes given to M.Carter and Hawaii. This weekend, the marker shot flawlessly again. The ultra-evils flew flat, consistent and on target. Praises to Bill, Laurie, Mel and Rod, Chris and the good folks at CCM for their efforts and for finally releasing what I believe will be an amazing choice for the pump community.
Jeez you oughta work as a ringer outside a strip club, this makes me want it even more now.
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Old 10-09-2012, 07:05 PM   #1292 (permalink)
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Umm. Dunno about that one. LOL!

Some people will no doubt prefer to shoot other brand markers (and that is good for the industry), and many will really, really like the J12. The functionality of the marker is what you will notice. The marker is extremely durable, does not need any timing adjustments (even after tear down) and from what others have confirmed, "It shoots really flat." I think people have waited long enough. Wouldn't be surprised if the announcement is soon of the J12's impending release.
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Old 10-10-2012, 06:56 AM   #1293 (permalink)
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I hope we hear something before years end. I keep comming close to buying a t2 and i don't want to. Lol!
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Old 10-10-2012, 01:05 PM   #1294 (permalink)
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Jeez you oughta work as a ringer outside a strip club, this makes me want it even more now.
Oh my goodness! The idea of Myron even in the vicinity of a strip club is laughable.....


Once we have anything new to offer info wise we will. Thank you for your patience.
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Old 10-10-2012, 01:09 PM   #1295 (permalink)
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Oh my goodness! The idea of Myron even in the vicinity of a strip club is laughable.....


Once we have anything new to offer info wise we will. Thank you for your patience.
I get that alot, for the longest time people I work with thought I was a Morman. Boy were they surprised when they found out I wasn't, not telling how it came out either.
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Old 10-10-2012, 10:22 PM   #1296 (permalink)
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Umm. Dunno about that one. LOL!

Some people will no doubt prefer to shoot other brand markers (and that is good for the industry), and many will really, really like the J12. The functionality of the marker is what you will notice. The marker is extremely durable, does not need any timing adjustments (even after tear down) and from what others have confirmed, "It shoots really flat." I think people have waited long enough. Wouldn't be surprised if the announcement is soon of the J12's impending release.
hey bro, since there a but a few prototypes and no images of the internals, could you at least give us a comparison of some sort please. What other marker design does the mechanism of the j12 remind you of the most? Thanks!
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Old 10-11-2012, 04:08 PM   #1297 (permalink)
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Thanks for asking. Right now CCM has asked those who have the prototype markers to delay taking and showing pictures of the internals. If we can meet up I would be happy to break it apart for you to see, answer questions, and share my experiences regarding the J12.

Putting the J12 in the hands of those who have so much experience in paintball like you and many who visit this thread is important. These are people who are more likely to take a preventative approach by taking notice of every little detail during pump play. For example, they will notice a binding stroke, investigate on their own and take corrective action before continuing play.

Likewise, CCM found it equally important to put it in the hands of people who don't play, have limited experience with pump play or are making the transition. These are individuals who are less likely to recognize if something is not right, continue on playing, and would be instrumental in revealing "wear marks" for CCM to assess that would lead to changes in their production models for all of us to benefit.

To answer your question. CCM admits that the current pump markers and models that customers enjoy are so similar in function yet packaged differently. But development and design of the J12 is very different. From the all metal, new trigger design that incorporates hardened brass, stainless steel, aluminum and spring to the over-sized hammer, brass valve - all enclosed in a cartridge, to the pump arm and bolt that operates independently from hammer in the lower tube - the differences are noticeable. The increased volume of air surrounding the valve and lengthened valve "cartridge" allows a player the option to take their hand off of the pump handle, get a quiet shot off, have no farting, all with very little drop in fps. A player can sneak a quite shot off whether playing front at the 50 in speed ball or playing woods ball.

I wish I was more knowledgeable to share what other marker design the internal mechanism of the J12 reminded me of the most but sadly I am one of those with limited experience in that area. The lower tube looks weird, the IVG is in the hammer, the auto trigger is smooth and independent from the pump arm, while the hammer looks like a bird with one wing. Bottom line, it is so functional.

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Old 10-11-2012, 06:06 PM   #1298 (permalink)
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Sounds like we're getting close. I'm excited, gonna start saving and see what I can sell. And have to start rehearsing the "I need a new paintball gun" speech for my wife. Thanks for the info SD.
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Old 10-11-2012, 08:26 PM   #1299 (permalink)
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Thanks for asking. Right now CCM has asked those who have the prototype markers to delay taking and showing pictures of the internals. If we can meet up I would be happy to break it apart for you to see, answer questions, and share my experiences regarding the J12.
Hey now! Jack in Hawaii, that would be awesome. He already has the lingo down.
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Old 10-11-2012, 08:55 PM   #1300 (permalink)
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I heard they extracted the elves and gnomes from WGP & AGD and also infused the billet with hairs from Rod's beard. :P

I guess this would explain the "flatshot" effect that everyone keeps talking about.
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