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Old 10-25-2011, 09:32 PM   #441 (permalink)
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thuth is that if you do not hold on to the handle, the pressure hitting the ball, especially while under boring, the pump handle will blow back and give you a slower velocity. Goo at the chrono if you want to slide by with a hot gun, but not for that long ball.
The opposite is to thumb the cocking rod for an extra hot shot. Me, I could cae less. Just don't cheat.
It depends on the setup. My sniper stays pretty consistent. whether I hold the handle or not.
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Old 10-25-2011, 09:37 PM   #442 (permalink)
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I'm curious to what the proper set up for that might be. I've never seen a sniper NOT blow a handle back when not held on to. Heavy return springs not a good thing
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Old 10-25-2011, 09:41 PM   #443 (permalink)
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I get blowback on the handle, but little difference in velocity. Maybe the lack of orings on my delrin bolt? But I've also heard of some guns actually getting hotter, so I don't really understand any of it I suppose...
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Old 10-26-2011, 04:04 PM   #444 (permalink)
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Holding the reg can give you a nice stable platform since you hold your arm closer to your body. I hate holding the pump handle when I'm going for a shot.
Not I. I prefer to hold the pump handle. Always did on my S6.5. I felt it was more natural in most situations. There were a few exceptions when in tight spots, but very few. I did't always shoulder it, though, as I had a small tank.

Now on my Gargoyle I still hold the front handle. I had a guy ask to shoot it and he pumped and then held the vert changer and he couldn't hold it steady to save his life. It was shaking all over the place.
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Old 10-26-2011, 04:26 PM   #445 (permalink)
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I'm curious to what the proper set up for that might be. I've never seen a sniper NOT blow a handle back when not held on to. Heavy return springs not a good thing
I've seen plenty of snipers that don't lose much velocity. 5-10 FPS at most. I find they shoot nicer when you allow the recoil on the handle, too. It quiets the shot down since it cuts off the bolt/valve transfer port. That means no noise from the valve escapes once the ball is gone. If you think about it, a recoiling bolt is functionally somewhat like a fast acting regulator by absorbing the pressure...whether it actually impacts consistency, I won't go there.

This is why some guns fart when you hold the pump forward - the hammer is always farting in badly tuned snipers, but you can't hear it when the transfer ports are misaligned after letting the bolt recoil.

I think you see less FPS loss when you are running fairly short dwell times since the ball is accelerated down the barrel faster, so the recoil and misalignment don't matter so much since the ball is long gone. The gun I'm thinking of had pretty hard springing and was pre-99 so it probably ran quite a bit higher pressures than say a CCM.

Anyways, it's absolutely a personal preference thing. I started with pumps (Talon -> Phantom -> PGP -> Sniper) and didn't even have a foregrip until my 4th gun and 2nd year of play. It just came naturally since the gun shot better that way, and it was a stable platform for snapshooting and posting.

If you like to hold the pump handle, that's great, but you can't judge others on it. I don't shoot much, and when I do it's one at a time, so I don't see the point of sacrificing my preferred ergonomics for a fast followup shot.
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Old 10-27-2011, 10:22 AM   #446 (permalink)
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I think you see less FPS loss when you are running fairly short dwell times since the ball is accelerated down the barrel faster, so the recoil and misalignment don't matter so much since the ball is long gone. The gun I'm thinking of had pretty hard springing and was pre-99 so it probably ran quite a bit higher pressures than say a CCM..
Would make sense as it applies to my sniper, pre 99 running over 400psi.

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, but you can't judge others on it.
Lets just apply this concept across the board
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Old 10-28-2011, 12:35 AM   #447 (permalink)
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well put russc I will see how I can adapt. Worth a shot, and I always trust your input.
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Old 10-28-2011, 05:28 AM   #448 (permalink)
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I have been playing pump for 20 years and sometimes hold the pump, sometimes hold the regulator depending on the circumstances. I do get a more steady shot holding the regulator but it isn't substantially more stable. One reason I occasionally don't hold the pump is to allow the shot to blow back the pump. My Sniper II has a pump return spring but when shooting, it blows back ever so slightly and reduces the sound of firing. It has an old CCM delrin, no oring bolt that is super smooth. Yes, I see a slightly slower shot because this escaping air means less FPS out the end of the barrel but when you are being sneaky, a quieter shot is sometimes a great thing.
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Old 10-28-2011, 12:18 PM   #449 (permalink)
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Not I. I prefer to hold the pump handle. Always did on my S6.5. I felt it was more natural in most situations. There were a few exceptions when in tight spots, but very few. I did't always shoulder it, though, as I had a small tank.

Now on my Gargoyle I still hold the front handle. I had a guy ask to shoot it and he pumped and then held the vert changer and he couldn't hold it steady to save his life. It was shaking all over the place.
It's all personal preference. I hold all guns the same, grip with my off hand pushing the tank into my shoulder at the exact same place. The only thing my trigger hand does is...trigger.
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