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[ant]

The idea does have some merit, but the rotor does have an awful lot of dead space. Can't really comment as to the rest of the full sized force feeds. But i think getting a rotor to 100 balls or less may be a fairly big ask

[thumper]

The more I read this thread and the more I think about the whole idea the less interested I grow. I mean : shake & bake = light weight. zero maintenance. low profile. no moving parts. no batteries. quiet. clean with a hose. Thats a lot to give up for the marginal benefit of an agitator.

L7 automag - different story.

I'm still curious about a mini-revvy's & ilk.. just growing less interested especially when the word "force fed" is used in the same sentence with pump play. Pumping provides its own agitation. just sayin.

[phaedin]

Originally Posted by thumper

The more I read this thread and the more I think about the whole idea the less interested I grow. I mean : shake & bake = light weight. zero maintenance. low profile. no moving parts. no batteries. quiet. clean with a hose. Thats a lot to give up for the marginal benefit of an agitator.

L7 automag - different story.

I totally get that, i have looked at a few of the electronic hoppers and they feel really heavy even without any paint in them.

I am just a little frustrated with my extreme rage sportshot atm, i can only get maybe 10 balls to feed without stopping and sometimes it needs a really good shake to get them free, even with a half full hopper.
I dont need 15 BPS or really even 5 BPS, i just want a ball to be there when i need it
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[LilShank]

Originally Posted by thumper

The more I read this thread and the more I think about the whole idea the less interested I grow. I mean : shake & bake = light weight. zero maintenance. low profile. no moving parts. no batteries. quiet. clean with a hose. Thats a lot to give up for the marginal benefit of an agitator.

L7 automag - different story.

I'm still curious about a mini-revvy's & ilk.. just growing less interested especially when the word "force fed" is used in the same sentence with pump play. Pumping provides its own agitation. just sayin.

On some markers I'd agree, but I've seen Carter AT his CCM with little to no movement from the marker itself, and I'm sure he's not the only one that can do so. On the marker I own which shares your namesake, I can pump without moving the gun at all.

If I was using the hopper on my Phantom, or perhaps a Sniper I pieced together with less than quality parts, I could see where the agitation of the pump action would be enough.

There is also the other merits of using this on a lightweight electro setup, or for the front player who doesn't need a lot of paint, but would need to be able to run the smallest profile possible.

That is also where modifying a Rotor shell to a lower capacity might be unwanted, even though it would be shorter, it would still be just as wide, like a forcefed sportshot. Having it sit lower would be nice, but the sides of it hanging out would look goofy IMO.

[thumper]

Originally Posted by LilShank

On some markers I'd agree, ...

fair enough: but lets rephrase what you and I just said: "the pump market in general doesn't need a 100 round revvy - only a niche element of this market really needs it, and that niche of a niche market needs a force feed 15bps hopper"

I still think there is more general interest in something similar to the old 90 round 9V viewloader for the majority of the pumpers out there who would like some inexpensive added reliability (over shake and bake) - but who think the whole $160 200round rotor idea is just STUPID overkill. Its a sliding scale.. I just think the sweet spot is closer to a 75 round $50 9V revvy than it is to 75round force fed $160 mini-rotor.

I mean really.. In the last 100 days I've played shake and bakes Ive probably shot blanks due to an empty feedneck maybe 30 times. Granted that always ticks me off so I made a 9V 100 round sportshot that works like an absolute champ.. but I still don't play it. The added weight and having to hassle with the 9v just isn't worth it. ... But if someone came up w/ a durable tiny 9V 75 round version..well, I'de pay $50 just to give it a try. Anything more expensive or needing more than a 9V and I wouldn't even consider it. Too overkill*.

/end-voice-of-reason.

*(I also pulled all the AT cams off everything for the same reason)

[desertT1]

What if it didn't even need a 9V?...

[pumpinballersims]

why does everybody keep sayin 9 volts? the loader wouldn't have to feed fast so y not AA's?

[thumper]

Originally Posted by pumpinballersims

why does everybody keep sayin 9 volts? the loader wouldn't have to feed fast so y not AA's?

I ain't everybody, but Ive got a number of old 9v revvy's that just keep on ticking, and for years on the same battery. If I were looking for an alternate, why not one of those A123 5V batteries, or possibly a cr2032 / cr2025 watch battery.

[PistolRogue]

Originally Posted by thumper

The more I read this thread and the more I think about the whole idea the less interested I grow. I mean : shake & bake = light weight. zero maintenance. low profile. no moving parts. no batteries. quiet. clean with a hose. Thats a lot to give up for the marginal benefit of an agitator.

L7 automag - different story.

I'm still curious about a mini-revvy's & ilk.. just growing less interested especially when the word "force fed" is used in the same sentence with pump play. Pumping provides its own agitation. just sayin.

Well you've got to remember, just because it's a smaller capacity hopper doesn't mean that ONLY pump players will be interested in it. Hell, I wouldn't mind having something sportshot-sized or smaller on my closed bolt mech Ion, and that kind of NEEDS a forcefeed. Or when I'm using my SA17 in "carbine" mode, I already know that grav-feeds don't keep up with that. I'm sure there are plenty of guys out there in the milsim camp who aren't quite willing to go magfed but would like a smaller hopper.

[nerdcore]

I know getting more news of this loader is asking too much, but we're already into month 2 of 2012 - can the R7 site at least get updated?