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Old 03-27-2012, 06:22 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Well, the dot will superimpose on the target if you sight with two eyes so...yeah. If anything it'll protect the sight from a head on shot. Not saying that the lack of 45 deg rails behind it was smart, but only those who don't use red dots would say something like that.
I've been using Dot Sights for as long as ADCO has been involved in paintball.

I'm not saying it's impossible but, I've tried getting the pseudo occluded gunsight effect by using red-dots and I've found it to not work nearly as well as an actual occluded sight or, an unobstructed dot sight. This is for several reasons:

Light reflecting off of the feedneck (i.e. in broad daylight) can wash out the dot or, at the least, cause your brain to want to focus on the feedneck.

If your feedneck doesn't block off the entire view of the sight, then your brain will want to focus on the lit background.

Bottom line- there are reasons why all occluded eye sights use black backgrounds.

Not to mention that you can't put a sight anywhere on that top rail except for the very back end of it due to the low vertical clearance afforded by most modern hoppers.
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Unfortunately all of you have played the one "speedball" game of paintball for so long you can't conceive of other ways to do this and hence any new ideas seem stupid.

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Old 03-27-2012, 08:46 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Old 03-27-2012, 08:52 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Nope, just you. That's supposed to be an EOTech or a knockoff which do look like they're mounted backwards.
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Unfortunately all of you have played the one "speedball" game of paintball for so long you can't conceive of other ways to do this and hence any new ideas seem stupid.
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Old 03-27-2012, 08:54 PM   #14 (permalink)
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hmm, would a traditional one fit in that place?
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Old 03-27-2012, 09:25 PM   #15 (permalink)
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If you look at the original poster, check out the photo portion of the player sighting down the side. Note where the dot sight is...
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Unfortunately all of you have played the one "speedball" game of paintball for so long you can't conceive of other ways to do this and hence any new ideas seem stupid.
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yikes, no eggy/prophecy/rotor then?
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Old 03-28-2012, 01:24 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I've been using Dot Sights for as long as ADCO has been involved in paintball.

I'm not saying it's impossible but, I've tried getting the pseudo occluded gunsight effect by using red-dots and I've found it to not work nearly as well as an actual occluded sight or, an unobstructed dot sight. This is for several reasons:

Light reflecting off of the feedneck (i.e. in broad daylight) can wash out the dot or, at the least, cause your brain to want to focus on the feedneck.

If your feedneck doesn't block off the entire view of the sight, then your brain will want to focus on the lit background.

As have I and ADCO products suck. They are poorly made and their rails tend to crack under the slightest amount of pressure applied.

an enclosed red dot is going to take re-training of the eyes due to the distance between the sight and your mask. Due this distance you now have to factor in the amount of light reflecting off the lens.

If your feedneck is black gloss finish, then yes, its going to reflect light. If its plastic or dust finish the reflection is far less. you will ge more glare/reflection off the sight optics then you will the feedneck as it will have the same amount of light on it. This is the reason why occlude3d sights don't work well in the full sunlight.

Again, you need to retrain your eyes.

This has been a popular arguement for the center feed vs offset feed crowd for years. The simple solution is to tilt your gun to the left or right and aim down the barrel. I shoot an SP-1 and have no trouble hitting my targets. Besides, sights are useless anywhere you mount them unless you play the same side of the field/bunker every time. Since you have to twist your gun to hide your hopper behind cover, twisting it to sight down the barrel should come natural.
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This has been a popular arguement for the center feed vs offset feed crowd for years. The simple solution is to tilt your gun to the left or right and aim down the barrel. I shoot an SP-1 and have no trouble hitting my targets. Besides, sights are useless anywhere you mount them unless you play the same side of the field/bunker every time. Since you have to twist your gun to hide your hopper behind cover, twisting it to sight down the barrel should come natural.
unless you use a warpfeed or other remote feeder option.
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BTW, mounting it on the front, would that work?
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As have I and ADCO products suck. They are poorly made and their rails tend to crack under the slightest amount of pressure applied.

an enclosed red dot is going to take re-training of the eyes due to the distance between the sight and your mask. Due this distance you now have to factor in the amount of light reflecting off the lens.

If your feedneck is black gloss finish, then yes, its going to reflect light. If its plastic or dust finish the reflection is far less. you will ge more glare/reflection off the sight optics then you will the feedneck as it will have the same amount of light on it. This is the reason why occlude3d sights don't work well in the full sunlight.

Again, you need to retrain your eyes.

This has been a popular arguement for the center feed vs offset feed crowd for years. The simple solution is to tilt your gun to the left or right and aim down the barrel. I shoot an SP-1 and have no trouble hitting my targets. Besides, sights are useless anywhere you mount them unless you play the same side of the field/bunker every time. Since you have to twist your gun to hide your hopper behind cover, twisting it to sight down the barrel should come natural.
What ADCO products are you referring to? You're saying their clamps crack? I know that they started in paintball with the plastic bodied stuff (even those had aluminum/steel clamps) but, the last one I bought from them was an aluminum bodied 30mm E-Dot, and in the years between 2004 and 2010, I only had to replace it once and that's because it took a point blank shot that blew through the lens protector and the front lens (it was covered under warranty). I've also never had a problem with dot ghosting or anything of the sort.

When I think of cheap sights, I think of NC Star.

I've never had a problem seeing actual occluded eye gunsights (i.e. Armson) in full daylight (in fact, I've found they worked great). Cheapo paintball knockoffs (i.e. Dye Izon, etc) have done poorly in those conditions due to the lower quality fiber optics.

In regards to center vs offset feed- This comes down to personal preference.

In regards to sights versus sighting down the barrel- In the vast majority of 50-75ft range shootouts I've experienced (where each of us only see our gun/head), my opponents were not as able to accurately place their shots. In these engagements, I fequently see the start of their stream inaccurately (missing by a 1-3ft in any direction) and then walk the rest of their string in. I admit this isn't rigorous testing (maybe my perception has been skewed by the number of rentals showing up at my fields). I'm actually wondering how well this would stand up to scrutiny. i.e. can I develop a test to see whether folks place their shots any more accurately than folks without using sights.

I will be the first to admit that even if there is a tangible benefit, there are limitations:
A longer time to shoot (i.e. you have to take the time to use them)
Paintballs drop and spread so much that they have a limited range of effectiveness.
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