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Old 08-01-2012, 07:21 PM   #111 (permalink)
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Hmmm, 60FPS jump certainly sounds like an increase in efficiency is there but, on the other hand, it will slow down more rapidly.
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A lighter ball is NOT a more efficient ball. True, you'll get more shots shooing a 2.8g ball at 290fps than a 3.0g at 290fps. Although that's apples and oranges. A better comparison is 280fps with 3.0g. That's the SAME efficiency while getting BETTER performance (with 3.0g paint).
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A 60fps jump in velocity sounds like an overall drop in efficiency.

Most likely due to two things. The Hydrotec is lighter and it might have a tighter fit in the barrel.

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Old 08-01-2012, 09:38 PM   #112 (permalink)
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A 60fps jump in velocity sounds like an overall drop in efficiency.

Most likely due to a light ball in an overbore situation.
I believe it would drop in efficiency if the velocity decreased and one would have to increase it.
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Old 08-01-2012, 10:46 PM   #113 (permalink)
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That's a given since, that's what Hydrotec is claiming, and it would be the most likely reason why they are more efficient and, why they will slow down faster.
Sorry misread your comment, we are in agreement.

One thing is I bet PLA has a better coefficient of friction than gelatin. I look at capsule all the time and the surface is pretty rough, PLA will have a better surface I am sure. If only they can get the weight up, it will be a superior product.
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Old 08-01-2012, 10:57 PM   #114 (permalink)
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Who keeps paint for over a year?

I typically don't store paint so it doesn't matter.
And during the day the only paint I've seen go to crap was diablo heat cuznit was garbage
Me. I have a 1.5 year old paint that I still use. I just finished using 2 year old paint.
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Old 08-01-2012, 11:36 PM   #115 (permalink)
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Okay, I've finally been able to watch pistolpete's video.

Interesting to hear about the seams.

I'm not sure how to consider the accuracy statements given that there could be two causes- the seam itself or just the lighter projectile being more susceptible to wind. Indoor testing will help me out there.

I'm going to say the 60FPS jump was due to the lighter weight and assuming he was using the stock barrel, a better barrel fit.

So, the shell's are compressible (but return to normal). This is good in that a dimpled ball most likely will not remain dimpled once fired. I can't say without handling them myself but, if they are compressible enough, this may not solve problems for spring tension feed systems (i.e. pistols, Qloaders, etc) but maybe make it a little less of an issue.

The bounce characteristic may be a problem associated with the lighter weight and a flexible shell. This will also make them more likely to bounce off of something like a bounce shirt.

So, for me it's not looking too good but, I'll wait til there is more data to be sure.
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I believe it would drop in efficiency if the velocity decreased and one would have to increase it.
Sorry. My posts were hurried and not worded well.

Here's the scenario...

You were shooting traditional 3.0g paint at 290fps all day. Your air is running low and you have two options to maximize your shot count...

1. Shoot the same paint at a lower velocity (280fps)
2. Shoot a lighter 2.8g ball at full velocity (290fps).

Both scenarios will result in similar shot counts because they require the same amount of energy. Although the heavier ball will have a greater range (negligible) and be less prone to cross winds (negligible).

Regarding the 60fps jump in velocity, I was trying to state that it could be the result of either a lighter ball or a tighter bore fit... or some combination thereof.

Assuming they are still making it from 98% water, we already know it's appreciably lighter.

I'm absolutely amazed there are not more reviews of this stuff up.

Pistolpete93,

How did they perform after a barrel break? Could you simulate one? They state it outperforms traditional paint in a 'shoot-though' situation since the fill liquifies when exposed to shear stress.

Have you done a drop test to see how fragile they are? I'll bet they outperform traditional paint on hard surfaces and under perform on soft surfaces... just due to what the fill is.

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Old 08-03-2012, 10:50 AM   #117 (permalink)
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You were shooting traditional 3.0g paint at 290fps all day. Your air is running low and you have two options to maximize your shot count...

1. Shoot the same paint at a lower velocity (280fps)
2. Shoot a lighter 2.8g ball at full velocity (290fps).
3. Refill your tank?

Seriously, if you can spare the time to re-chrono at a lower velocity, you can walk over to the fill station.
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3. Refill your tank?

Seriously, if you can spare the time to re-chrono at a lower velocity, you can walk over to the fill station.
A lighter projectile is not inherently more efficient.

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Old 08-04-2012, 04:29 AM   #119 (permalink)
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Got half of a 100 pod of this paint tonight at are yearly night game from my buddy Skeletor. I haven't shot it yet but I plan on doing some test's on Sunday when I'm at work. I might do a video we will see
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Old 08-04-2012, 08:14 AM   #120 (permalink)
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Got half of a 100 pod of this paint tonight at are yearly night game from my buddy Skeletor. I haven't shot it yet but I plan on doing some test's on Sunday when I'm at work. I might do a video we will see
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