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Old 07-31-2012, 08:02 AM   #71 (permalink)
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I'm aware of the theoretical differences in performance based on weight Peo. I just want to weigh them and shoot them to see what they do.

Given two exactly equal projectiles, yes, the denser one will perform better. In this case we don't know how the ball compares to standard paint - the surface might be different, the seams might be different, they might flex more when shot - we just don't know.

I don't like to toss out theories about performance before I've examined and tested the product. That's the entire point of PunkWorks - we test first then tell people why we think what happened - happened.

We're on the list to get this paint - and believe me, the first thing I'm going to do is toss them on the scale.

Media, testers and some fields were supposed to get this first batch - apparently there was a change in release strategy recently.
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Old 07-31-2012, 08:24 AM   #72 (permalink)
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Not anyone at RPS with any authority knows squat and not Draxxus either at least.
RPS wouldn't have sent a truck of uncured walmart junk in tournament boxes to the living legends game's THOUSANDS of customers, while sending a perfectly crafted truck of artisan quality paint to the hundreds at the NPPL field 150 YARDS AWAY if they did.
All we had to do was walk over there to see that we were getting the shaft on purpose. Alot of us did.
RPS sends subquality product to everyone except their favorites. So I left there saying if you want good paint and don't have their logo tattooed on your forehead, stay away from RPS!!!
If this paint works as advertised, if the managers aren't such knuckleheads they torpedo their own business before it starts and they're able to deliver product consistently it will sell unbelievably.

Yes, that's right. RPS sent us uncured poop.
I couldn't shoot 2 TPX mags without a break, we couldn't even find 2 in a bag with the E logo the same size on them. The guys at Draxxus owe them dinner, at least!

More consistent, accurate paint IS an unfilled niche market right now...
Because markers have been designed to put up with and cover up horrible crap with high volume.

If every paintball, or even most, goes where you aim it, you don't need to throw ropes down a lane for 5 minutes at $1 a second. You just wait for someone to try it, then shoot them.

I'll buy these and I bet I'll be in a line when I do!

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I agree with what AgentSmith has said above. I was at LL5 and the Evil paint, and to a lesser extent, the Marbs they replaced it with was HORRIBLE! CPX was awesome as they took our unused Evil and replaced it with Marbs w/o questions. Great Customer service. My point is this; if CPX had not been SO good to me and my team, LL5 would have been Ruined! The paint was so bad my Phantom was breaking it on Friday night! My Mag would have been a blender. CPX saved our trip. The paint manufacturers ARE turning out crap. The best I have found in the past two years is Valken Redemption; hands down.
I was sincerely hoping HydroTec was going to be the answer to my paint woes. Now, however, I have to join in with others and call shenanigans on HydroTec! People have waited two years for your product and you release it on a weekday night and charge through the nose for it? Really? That is your intro to the paintball community? You release it to an indoor field with an indoor formula, that you had never talked about before? Really? What are you trying to hide, HydroTec? What design issue are you covering up? Why not put product into the hands of trusted industry reviewers, like Mike at TechPB, VisualReviews or Behind the Bunker? Shenanigans, I say...
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Old 07-31-2012, 08:42 AM   #73 (permalink)
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^ yes but youve presented yourself with the causation of the issue. Its really self explained. Here I'll pretend to be a guy at a board meeting at RPS HQ. "Hey guys I got an idea...if we lower quality control and the overall quality of our paint. It would cost us less to make but cause the player to buy twice as much on account he'll be shooting twice as much to get the same target out. So in the end we win twice." Couple that with "versions" of paintball that were specifically designed to sell paint and advertise products and you've got a win/lose . They win we lose

In regards to hydro tech I'm nervous that itl be the fields themselves who don't support this. I mean lets say 100 Is the introductory price and its actual msrp will be 80 a case. That's a lot to begin with and when fields ads their personal 25% mark up for fpo that makes it even more outragious I don't think the avg player will buy it at those prices the discerning player yes but not the majority. Fields know this and I don't think they will carry it
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Old 07-31-2012, 09:33 AM   #74 (permalink)
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Up here at the fields in Canada you are usually looking at around $140-$180 a case of paint.
If this paint comes in at the same price and is better then I am game.
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Old 07-31-2012, 02:48 PM   #75 (permalink)
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That's a maybe. If volume on high end traditional paint drops. It's going to sit on the shelf longer, go stale, and shoot crappy as well.
My reasoning behind higher traditional paint price was due to a decrease in total production volume and not being able to salvage scrap materials in the form of low end paint.

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In regards to hydro tech I'm nervous that itl be the fields themselves who don't support this. I mean lets say 100 Is the introductory price and its actual msrp will be 80 a case. That's a lot to begin with and when fields ads their personal 25% mark up for fpo that makes it even more outragious I don't think the avg player will buy it at those prices the discerning player yes but not the majority. Fields know this and I don't think they will carry it
Everything appears to be pointing at Hydrotec prices equal to existing paint with much larger margins for field owners. Only thing to be concerned about is IF this stuff performs poorly and field owners switch over anyway due to the higher profits.

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Given two exactly equal projectiles, yes, the denser one will perform better.
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P.S. Don't run your tests on the potentially screened batch if it will be no quicker to test a batch purchased from a retailer.

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Old 07-31-2012, 03:11 PM   #76 (permalink)
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Hydrotec Paintballs in action - YouTube
It is short but it appears to mark a rather large area compared to the normal ball. Anxiously awaiting full review from the poster.
Pistol pete is hopefully going to be releasing a review video some point today.

I wonder how hydrotec will perform in cold weather
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Old 07-31-2012, 03:33 PM   #77 (permalink)
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P0E- The charts are screen caps of my the ballistics software I use, it may help to actually click on the images to enlarge them and the grid lines become more apparent. In any case, having looked at the raw data, the differences are as significant as the plots imply (at closer ranges or shorter flight times, there are very minor differences).


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I agree with what AgentSmith has said above. I was at LL5 and the Evil paint, and to a lesser extent, the Marbs they replaced it with was HORRIBLE!...
In regards to crappy RPS paint at Living Legends, before I stopped shooting regular paintballs I shot marbs and evil (not to be confused with ultra evil tourney paint) exclusively and, I almost always found that RPS retail paint performed better than RPS event paint (i.e. big games and scenarios). I've also had problems with other brands at other events.

I've long suspected that RPS (and possibly other paint suppliers) decrease quality control in order to fill the large demands associated with big games. I think RPS did actually try to improve things this year as I don't recall previous year's truck actually being refridgerated (I staged right next to them every year I've been there). But, clearly the paint itself had issues.

I'm also willing to bet, based on my somewhat limited hands-on time with actual tourney paint, that tourney paint is produced to even higher standards than even the best retail box paint. In the case of Ultra Evil, there are clear, manufacturing differences (thickness of fill, metallic shells, etc).
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Everything appears to be pointing at Hydrotec prices equal to existing paint with much larger margins for field owners. Only thing to be concerned about is IF this stuff performs poorly and field owners switch over anyway due to the higher profits.
I'm interested to understand why people think fields will mark these up with higher margins. My experience has shown me that most field owners will usually drop prices in hopes of attracting customers from their competitors, who then also drop prices until we get to the lowest possible price. That's the way the Free Enterprise system works, doesn't it?

Hydrotech may have MAPs in place, but MAPs don't mean anything once a customer is at the place of business (field). The field can then sell at any price they want, as long as the price is not visible from public property (i.e. sidewalk or road).

What fields end up selling this for is all speculation for now, in my opinion.
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I'm interested to understand why people think fields will mark these up with higher margins. My experience has shown me that most field owners will usually drop prices in hopes of attracting customers from their competitors, who then also drop prices until we get to the lowest possible price. That's the way the Free Enterprise system works, doesn't it?

Hydrotech may have MAPs in place, but MAPs don't mean anything once a customer is at the place of business (field). The field can then sell at any price they want, as long as the price is not visible from public property (i.e. sidewalk or road).

What fields end up selling this for is all speculation for now, in my opinion.

That's the way it should work but not the way it seems to most of the time. Around here you usually get forced to.purchase their paint and than get forced to pay at least 20% more and if its event paint probably more than double the msrp.
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Old 07-31-2012, 04:26 PM   #80 (permalink)
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