PTP gets patent granted

Robertsr · 08-21-2007, 09:26 AM

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It's my understanding that this covers the pneumatic trigger system or electro-pneumatic trigger system that was called the hAir trigger WAY back in the day. The patent was applied for back in 2000.

I wonder if we're going to see any product made now, or if the market has passed the technology by. It's pretty hard to convince a ramping idiot to go back to only shooting one ball per mouseclick.

Azzy · 08-21-2007, 09:35 AM

The tech goes waaaay way back to the Nova, Vector, Equalizer, or Phoenix.

DarkStar · 08-21-2007, 09:39 AM

Gee, Only 13 more years till the hAir trigger can be released legally

-MR

shartley · 08-21-2007, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkStar

Gee, Only 13 more years till the hAir trigger can be released legally

-MR

Not true. If they enter into an agreement ANYONE can produce them legally.

DarkStar · 08-21-2007, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by shartley

Not true. If they enter into an agreement ANYONE can produce them legally.

Actually it is true. Licensing agreements have nothing to do with my statement.

And since Deadlywind already tried to go down that road and it led no where. I'll stand by my original statement.

Of Course you can license technology and then produce something with it. However, when the costs of doing so are more than can be recouped by the product in question, it's a moot point.

-MR

shartley · 08-21-2007, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkStar

Actually it is true. Licensing agreements have nothing to do with my statement.

And since Deadlywind already tried to go down that road and it led no where. I'll stand by my original statement.

Of Course you can license technology and then produce something with it. However, when the costs of doing so are more than can be recouped by the product in question, it's a moot point.

-MR

I had a long post written out but decided to just say…. Sorry, it is not true. Licensing agreements have everything to do with your statement. Just because Deadlywind was not at this point able to come to an agreement with the patent holder (for whatever reason) does not mean he will not in the future; or that someone with more resources will not be able to. And someone with more resources may indeed be able to produce an end product which is reasonable in cost and can recoup their investment...... if the actual demand for the product is there.

wolf13 · 08-21-2007, 12:07 PM

IF PTP even wants to liscence it or bring it to market. here's the actual patent http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat7231911.pdf

It defiantly looks like it covers the reflex kit patent US005890479 april 6 1999. I only skimmed the autococking parts, but it looks to cover the the tippmann rt system as well. Does it try to cover the automag rt system as well? either way, something stinks like SP patent.

Robertsr · 08-21-2007, 02:26 PM

Remember, we're talking about an application that was submitted 7 years ago. That pretty well predates the Tippmann RT IIRC. I have no clue on the Boston reflex trigger, not being a cocker guy.

I don't think it touches the ADG trigger in the least. The ADG RT was an largely unintended effect of other engineering changes to the valve in my understanding.

I think a lot hinges on the idea that this patent is for devices that specifically make a trigger easier/faster to pull. I'm no patent lawyer, but I would guess that's why it was awarded. There are guns which use similar components as a part of a firing cycle, but it sounds like the patent is awarded for basically aftermarket parts.

I could be talking way out of the left side of my mouth on this one though. Any SP lawyers out there to clue me in on patent law?

DarkStar · 08-21-2007, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by shartley

I had a long post written out but decided to just say…. Sorry, it is not true. Licensing agreements have everything to do with your statement. Just because Deadlywind was not at this point able to come to an agreement with the patent holder (for whatever reason) does not mean he will not in the future; or that someone with more resources will not be able to. And someone with more resources may indeed be able to produce an end product which is reasonable in cost and can recoup their investment...... if the actual demand for the product is there.

Your looking for an argument where none exists. Sure you can make anything if you get a license from the patent owner. It has absolutely nothing to do with my statement. Deadlywind has decided not to go that route. Therefore what I said is 100% true.

-MR

shartley · 08-21-2007, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkStar

Your looking for an argument where none exists. Sure you can make anything if you get a license from the patent owner. It has absolutely nothing to do with my statement. Deadlywind has decided not to go that route. Therefore what I said is 100% true.

-MR

Ahhh.. yes, concerning Deadlywind and their trigger. I see. Sorry.

But who knows, maybe someone else will put out a similar trigger.

08-21-2007, 09:26 AM	#1 (permalink)
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08-21-2007, 12:07 PM	#7 (permalink)
wolf13 Freelance Collector Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 830	IF PTP even wants to liscence it or bring it to market. here's the actual patent http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat7231911.pdf It defiantly looks like it covers the reflex kit patent US005890479 april 6 1999. I only skimmed the autococking parts, but it looks to cover the the tippmann rt system as well. Does it try to cover the automag rt system as well? either way, something stinks like SP patent. __________________ looking for interesting cockers. especially AKA Black Widow, Slide trigger bonebrake, predators and other nice customs as well as perhaps an eclipse sovereign. CustomCockers.com Forum for Sniper 1's to MQ and anything autococking welcome. Pics of some of My Collection of 50+ rare and oddball cockers and other oddities

08-21-2007, 02:26 PM	#8 (permalink)
Robertsr Ultimate Battle Monkey Z Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Waynesboro, VA Posts: 3,117	Remember, we're talking about an application that was submitted 7 years ago. That pretty well predates the Tippmann RT IIRC. I have no clue on the Boston reflex trigger, not being a cocker guy. I don't think it touches the ADG trigger in the least. The ADG RT was an largely unintended effect of other engineering changes to the valve in my understanding. I think a lot hinges on the idea that this patent is for devices that specifically make a trigger easier/faster to pull. I'm no patent lawyer, but I would guess that's why it was awarded. There are guns which use similar components as a part of a firing cycle, but it sounds like the patent is awarded for basically aftermarket parts. I could be talking way out of the left side of my mouth on this one though. Any SP lawyers out there to clue me in on patent law? __________________ Geriatrically Assured Destruction