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Old 02-26-2013, 01:17 PM   #11 (permalink)
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an word on what mags they work with?
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Old 02-26-2013, 01:38 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Not that I know of, but from what I have read about scarab arms take on the First Strike rounds, they will work with any marker that works with the tiberius First Strike
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Old 02-26-2013, 01:40 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Well, this is interesting.

I don't get it. What's the point? By rough calculations, not accounting for wall thickness, a first strike round has half the payload of a normal paintball and that should be more than the payload of a .50 round.

Then, I suspect that those 'sabots' (for lack of a better term) will actually inhibit the paint spread, if they remain attached to the ball. This is because when a round hits flesh (or cloth covered flesh), the round sinks in a bit before fracturing and, the shell and the impact surface may completely enclose the round.

Maybe this isn't meant for regular paintball but, pure mil-sim (in the canadian sense of the term describing a game format).
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Old 02-26-2013, 04:46 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I don't think those are FS replacements as they would also be using a smaller paintball. notice the sabot is larger in diameter than the actual paintball.

It looks like if they were to fit into a FS style magazine then the paintball is actually a .62 which would make a little more sense but still why not just drop it down to a more common .50?

They look a lot more expensive and if we are talking just a sabot then may not get a great deal better range or accuracy than standard round. Cause not long after leaving the barrel the sabot will typically drop away and you are left with a ball flying through the air instead of a at least a conical shape of the FS.

Should be interesting though.
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Old 02-26-2013, 04:59 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I don't think those are FS replacements as they would also be using a smaller paintball. notice the sabot is larger in diameter than the actual paintball.

It looks like if they were to fit into a FS style magazine then the paintball is actually a .62 which would make a little more sense but still why not just drop it down to a more common .50?

They look a lot more expensive and if we are talking just a sabot then may not get a great deal better range or accuracy than standard round. Cause not long after leaving the barrel the sabot will typically drop away and you are left with a ball flying through the air instead of a at least a conical shape of the FS.

Should be interesting though.
I've got no measurements to back it up but, I'd bet that if those fins are .68"-ish in size, then the ball in the nose is definitely not .62 since that's only .06" difference in size. I suspect that it's a .50" PB in a .68"-ish skirt. I know "sabot" isn't really the right term, it's just the best I could think of earlier.

All that being said, if it's a .50 in a .68 skirt as I mentioned, what's the point?
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Old 02-26-2013, 05:08 PM   #16 (permalink)
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It is a .50" in a .68" skirt. That info was confirmed by SCARAB reps on facebook.

I want to see tests of it... Even though i think the idea is odd, and not likely to be accepted by fields... Also the cost savings are rather negligible, thy say its going to be 100 for $30, so compared to FS you save 10-15 bucks, but then you also need to buy .50" paint, so where is the saving? Unless it proves to have superior capabilities, compared to FS...
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I have a theory... and it's the only way I can make sense of these rounds...

It's not a reusable rubber skirt, and you don't provide your own .50 ammo to stick in them. I suspect (or rather hope) that they've taken the complex molding process used to make one-piece First Strike rounds (which is why they're $0.40 a piece) and split it into two-parts. Regular 0.50" paintball = cheap means for cheap fill. Biodegradable black fins without fill = less complicated and hopefully substantially cheaper than making a normal First Strike.

Pop the two together in the factory and sell them at a cheaper price point than First Strikes. From a business stand-point, it's the only thing that makes sense. They wouldn't bother introducing it if it were inferior in every way to the existing competition.
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I have a theory... and it's the only way I can make sense of these rounds...

It's not a reusable rubber skirt, and you don't provide your own .50 ammo to stick in them. I suspect (or rather hope) that they've taken the complex molding process used to make one-piece First Strike rounds (which is why they're $0.40 a piece) and split it into two-parts. Regular 0.50" paintball = cheap means for cheap fill. Biodegradable black fins without fill = less complicated and hopefully substantially cheaper than making a normal First Strike.

Pop the two together in the factory and sell them at a cheaper price point than First Strikes. From a business stand-point, it's the only thing that makes sense. They wouldn't bother introducing it if it were inferior in every way to the existing competition.
This^^^

I can only imagine that molding those black skirts on mass would be significantly cheaper than making FS rounds as Tiberius makes them.
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It is a .50" in a .68" skirt. That info was confirmed by SCARAB reps on facebook.

I want to see tests of it... Even though i think the idea is odd, and not likely to be accepted by fields... Also the cost savings are rather negligible, thy say its going to be 100 for $30, so compared to FS you save 10-15 bucks, but then you also need to buy .50" paint, so where is the saving? Unless it proves to have superior capabilities, compared to FS...
Thanks for the info!

I suppose that if it has superior flight characteristics, it will do better in mil-sim game formats where they can set a rule for a hit counting as a hit, regardless of mark size.

I say this because I already have had problems of folks mistakenly thinking the paint left after a first strike hit, didn't count as a hit because they don't leave as much paint as a regular ball. A .50 round, has even less volume. And, that skirt certainly isn't going to help the fill spread.
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Old 02-26-2013, 05:25 PM   #20 (permalink)
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A .50 round, has even less volume. And, that skirt certainly isn't going to help the fill spread.
Quick maths...

Volume of 50% a 0.68" paintball (First Strikes are flat on the backside, right)? = 0.082... ci

Volume of 100% of a 0.50" paintball = 0.065... ci

Huh. Okay, that surprised me. So First Strikes would still have the slight edge on paint volume, which is to say they have 50% the volume of a regular paintball, but still 26%-ish more than one of these Scarab rounds...
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