Kill a skunk? Lose your paintball gun! - Page 5

SLACKJAW · 09-21-2007, 06:21 PM

I actually find the fact that they won't face penalties at school appaling. When I was in school and palyiong sports we agreed to a code of conduct which included automatic sanctions for an arrest or suspicion in a crime untill cleared in the case. These kids walk with essentially a slap on the wrist and don't really lose anything (big deal they can't own paintball guns for a year). Take a football season away and see how they feel. Besides which in another year they get to own guns intended to actually KILL.

The killing of the skunks is bad enough but consider they were in a State Forrest Campground. That means there is potential for other people to be around. People who more than likely are no wearing protective gear. It could have been a whole lot worse.

JW

op4_camper · 09-21-2007, 06:49 PM

How many of you had BB guns, 22, bow and arrows?
How many shot birds, squirrels ect?

We use to walk down the road with are 22's loaded with shorts shooting birds and what ever was around. Its not uncommon or that outrageous. Does mean there bad or monsters. There young teens/men. Does it mean they will to grow up to be serial killers and non productive people? I doubt it.

What it was is poor animal stewardship. Was it cruel and unnecessary. Yes it was. Thats how we learned. After awhile you learn on your own that what your doing is wrong. The good thing is skunks are not endangered. So no real harm done.

Dont forget back in the early 1900s they use these for fowl for feathers for hats and such. Its not that uncommon for people, men what ever to kill animals for no reason. Maybe its a guy thing I dont know but it is the way it is.

What is important is that as you get older you learn from it.
But come on is not that big a deal or uncommon.

punt gun

2nd punt gun

As far as animal rights and all I dont have a problem with it but people first. There was two cases at the county court house the same day 10. Case one two people were fighting pitbulls. They then beat and set on fire the dog that lost. That same day there was a trial for a man raping a young girl. There were protesters for the dog trial but not the girl. Now that is wrong in so many ways.

I guess its time to put on my asbestos suit and wait for the flames.

Mr. Furious · 09-21-2007, 08:18 PM

No flames camper, but kids are kids and 17 year old high school seniors are not kids.

Their formative years of making stupid mistakes is long passed. They'll be in college, the working world or in the military in 8 months so you can't tell me that they are just kids being kids. If they can't make a good decision about whether to torture an animal to death or not now, how will they do when they are unleashed on the world with the rest of the class of 2008?

BTW: I had BB guns and sling shots and all that stuff and never killed an animal simply for the sake of killing it. I shot rocks and trees and cardboard boxes and was perfectly happy with that.

As far as the court cases go, the world is messed up and it gets worse every day. But I think the people protesting for animal rights want to make sure that someone is speaking for the animals because the animals can't for themselves. Sick criminals who sexually abuse children usually get punished without protestors on the courthouse steps because no normal person thinks it's OK for those things to happen and it's rare to see an abuser of children who is properly prosecuted get away without harsh punishment. Apparently, killing animals for amusement by our young people is so acceptable in our society(as your post illustrates) that perhaps the animals need someone to stand on the courthouse steps with signs to make sure someone does something to prevent future occurrences like this.

pillage · 09-21-2007, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SLACKJAW

I actually find the fact that they won't face penalties at school appaling. When I was in school and palyiong sports we agreed to a code of conduct which included automatic sanctions for an arrest or suspicion in a crime untill cleared in the case. These kids walk with essentially a slap on the wrist and don't really lose anything (big deal they can't own paintball guns for a year). Take a football season away and see how they feel. Besides which in another year they get to own guns intended to actually KILL.

The killing of the skunks is bad enough but consider they were in a State Forrest Campground. That means there is potential for other people to be around. People who more than likely are no wearing protective gear. It could have been a whole lot worse.

JW

This story is really a case of taking non game animals via unapproved means in a proscribed area. It is either a Game and Inland Fisheries issue or a Park Service issue. This effectively a case of poaching. In many cases of poaching, the poacher loses his weapon whatever it is. This didn't take place on school grounds, so the school cannot do anything other than just talk. The young miscreants are old enough to know better, so should be penalyzed accordingly, lose their guns and pay fines and or community service.

Tracker · 09-22-2007, 11:47 AM

i killed a chipmunk while i was playing paintball,, granted it was more of a mercy killing because i stepped on him and he rolled while underneath my boot.. but does that make ame a monster? or a poacher? people blast prarie dogs for fun all over the us.. are they monsters too?

them being tried in the case of poaching is fine, completely understandable that a licence to hunt varmit (guessing thats what they are classified as) doesnt include a provision of "with paintball firing equipment" but at the same token, you find me some people that really think highly of skunks as anything more than nusciance anmials in the first place..

but that being said, i understand they were more in trouble for taking game by unaproved methods on public land than anything else

i think i had a point in there somewhere....

Tracker

Mr. Furious · 09-22-2007, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Tracker

i killed a chipmunk while i was playing paintball,, granted it was more of a mercy killing because i stepped on him and he rolled while underneath my boot.. but does that make ame a monster? or a poacher? people blast prarie dogs for fun all over the us.. are they monsters too?

them being tried in the case of poaching is fine, completely understandable that a licence to hunt varmit (guessing thats what they are classified as) doesnt include a provision of "with paintball firing equipment" but at the same token, you find me some people that really think highly of skunks as anything more than nusciance anmials in the first place..

but that being said, i understand they were more in trouble for taking game by unaproved methods on public land than anything else

i think i had a point in there somewhere....

Tracker

You're taking it way out of context and blowing it way out of proportion. No one said anyone here was a monster. The people who killed the skunks basically beat the animals to death which is far, far different from a nuisance animal being shot with a high powered rifle. A paintball marker and paintballs are not designed to transfer enough energy to destroy tissue or kill anything. Because of that, what the people in the news story did equated to beating the animals to death in a very slow way.

I eat meat, I don't like skunks and I understand that some animals need to be killed for one reason or another but when an animal needs to be killed it should be done humanely. If you'll notice, the word humane contains the entire word "human" within it. To me, that means that humans should be held to higher standards than the beasties so if you want to belong to the human race, you should treat every person and every animal humanely.

I cannot agree with or feel good about people killing anything in ways that cause the animal pain for any more time than is necessary.
Also, I do not feel it is part of growing up to kill animals with BB guns or .22's just because the animal was unfortunate enough to cross someone's path. When an animal is killed for no reason other than for it's death to amuse the person doing the killing, then it is a bit monstrous IMHO. Ending some thing's life for your pleasure is not healthy or normal.

Emerald Wolf · 09-22-2007, 11:04 PM

Right here according to the Colorado Small Game Regs:

Legal Methods of Take
1. Game Mammals
a. Rifles of handguns
b. Shotguns cannot be larger than 10 gauge, capable of holding more than 3 shells in the magazine and chamber combined.
c. Hand-held bows and crossbows
d. Pellet guns and sling shots
e. Hawking

Now, I paraphrased these a bit to save me some typing, but paintball gun was not on there. Paintball guns are not weapons, and should not be used as such. As noted above, they essentially beat the skunk to death with paintballs. Obviously since they got caught, there must have been others in the area that could be been injured by their wild toot.

I think it's good they were punished, but I think their parents could have used a fine as well for raising a dumb ***. But then, I also think the part of the kids penalty is they be lit up like the skunks got.

Personally I'm fond of skunks, although I've killed those that chose to dig under my house. I did so with Conibear traps. Quick and clean. For the most part, I kill animals for one of two reasons: nuisance (causing damage) or to eat. Shooting prairie dogs just never caught on with me. But regardless, I think to basically pummel an animal to death with a toy is wrong.....it makes you no better than a cock/dog fighter, "good kid" or not.

Catchya on the Flip Side.....

Emerald Wolf -- The other thing that cranks me is this is how the National parks get closed to well run private games,

Amoryl · 09-22-2007, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Furious

You're taking it way out of context and blowing it way out of proportion. No one said anyone here was a monster. The people who killed the skunks basically beat the animals to death which is far, far different from a nuisance animal being shot with a high powered rifle. A paintball marker and paintballs are not designed to transfer enough energy to destroy tissue or kill anything. Because of that, what the people in the news story did equated to beating the animals to death in a very slow way.

I eat meat, I don't like skunks and I understand that some animals need to be killed for one reason or another but when an animal needs to be killed it should be done humanely. If you'll notice, the word humane contains the entire word "human" within it. To me, that means that humans should be held to higher standards than the beasties so if you want to belong to the human race, you should treat every person and every animal humanely.

I cannot agree with or feel good about people killing anything in ways that cause the animal pain for any more time than is necessary.
Also, I do not feel it is part of growing up to kill animals with BB guns or .22's just because the animal was unfortunate enough to cross someone's path. When an animal is killed for no reason other than for it's death to amuse the person doing the killing, then it is a bit monstrous IMHO. Ending some thing's life for your pleasure is not healthy or normal.

actually, i'd call it monsterous, personally. the difference between bows, and pellet guns and whatnot, is that when used properly they'll kill the animal quickly. a paintball gun wont. they had to repeatedly shoot the animal, chasing after it and shooting it more and more till it couldn't run, then shoot it till it died slowly and painfully. which is torture. killing a chipmunk thats been badly injured to put it out of it's misery is nothing like maliciously torturing another animal. there are proper ways to remove nusance animals, and this was pretty damn far from it. also, this wasn't in their backyard where they had the right to determine it a nusance animal, this was a state park. you can't just run around killing things willy nilly in state parks. they're there largely FOR those little nusance animals who've been displaced by sprawling suburbia.

and actually the school CAN punnish them for things done off school property, football is considered an extra-curricular activity. basically you get to play at their sufferance and many schools will uphold a code of conduct if you want to play sports. i knew of several kids on the football team getting kicked off the team after getting busted drinking at a party durring the weeend.

heinous · 09-23-2007, 01:44 AM

I agree, he did the right thing ending the chipmunk's suffering. Those kids (and I use that term loosely as a man in his early twenties who is still being called a kid every so often) had no reason to kill 2 skunks.

Also, it's like my high school teacher says when asked about handling students as a coach: student athletes are called student athletes because they are students first, and athletes second.

pyrodragon · 09-23-2007, 12:07 PM

no offense their punishment should of been this

take a large dog kennel cage with top. the ones made with fence wire. bolt that thing down to the street somewhere in town and put those boys in there with two shunks for two days. see how they fair.

if anyone has been to Austin, TX, down on 6th street (club and bar scene) they actually have one of these cages(without the skunks) as the drunk tank during the weekends and major events.

09-21-2007, 06:49 PM	#42 (permalink)
op4_camper MCB Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Somerset Pa	How many of you had BB guns, 22, bow and arrows? How many shot birds, squirrels ect? We use to walk down the road with are 22's loaded with shorts shooting birds and what ever was around. Its not uncommon or that outrageous. Does mean there bad or monsters. There young teens/men. Does it mean they will to grow up to be serial killers and non productive people? I doubt it. What it was is poor animal stewardship. Was it cruel and unnecessary. Yes it was. Thats how we learned. After awhile you learn on your own that what your doing is wrong. The good thing is skunks are not endangered. So no real harm done. Dont forget back in the early 1900s they use these for fowl for feathers for hats and such. Its not that uncommon for people, men what ever to kill animals for no reason. Maybe its a guy thing I dont know but it is the way it is. What is important is that as you get older you learn from it. But come on is not that big a deal or uncommon. punt gun 2nd punt gun As far as animal rights and all I dont have a problem with it but people first. There was two cases at the county court house the same day 10. Case one two people were fighting pitbulls. They then beat and set on fire the dog that lost. That same day there was a trial for a man raping a young girl. There were protesters for the dog trial but not the girl. Now that is wrong in so many ways. I guess its time to put on my asbestos suit and wait for the flames. __________________ Contact me Last edited by op4_camper; 09-21-2007 at 07:01 PM..

09-21-2007, 08:18 PM	#43 (permalink)
Mr. Furious Post Whore Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northwestern Pennsylvania	No flames camper, but kids are kids and 17 year old high school seniors are not kids. Their formative years of making stupid mistakes is long passed. They'll be in college, the working world or in the military in 8 months so you can't tell me that they are just kids being kids. If they can't make a good decision about whether to torture an animal to death or not now, how will they do when they are unleashed on the world with the rest of the class of 2008? BTW: I had BB guns and sling shots and all that stuff and never killed an animal simply for the sake of killing it. I shot rocks and trees and cardboard boxes and was perfectly happy with that. As far as the court cases go, the world is messed up and it gets worse every day. But I think the people protesting for animal rights want to make sure that someone is speaking for the animals because the animals can't for themselves. Sick criminals who sexually abuse children usually get punished without protestors on the courthouse steps because no normal person thinks it's OK for those things to happen and it's rare to see an abuser of children who is properly prosecuted get away without harsh punishment. Apparently, killing animals for amusement by our young people is so acceptable in our society(as your post illustrates) that perhaps the animals need someone to stand on the courthouse steps with signs to make sure someone does something to prevent future occurrences like this. __________________ A skeleton walks into a bar and orders a beer and a mop...... Feedback: http://www.mcarterbrown.com/forums/f...-feedback.html

09-21-2007, 06:21 PM	#41 (permalink)
SLACKJAW Rec Poster Join Date: Feb 2007	I actually find the fact that they won't face penalties at school appaling. When I was in school and palyiong sports we agreed to a code of conduct which included automatic sanctions for an arrest or suspicion in a crime untill cleared in the case. These kids walk with essentially a slap on the wrist and don't really lose anything (big deal they can't own paintball guns for a year). Take a football season away and see how they feel. Besides which in another year they get to own guns intended to actually KILL. The killing of the skunks is bad enough but consider they were in a State Forrest Campground. That means there is potential for other people to be around. People who more than likely are no wearing protective gear. It could have been a whole lot worse. JW

09-22-2007, 11:47 AM	#45 (permalink)
Tracker Active Member Join Date: Apr 2006	i killed a chipmunk while i was playing paintball,, granted it was more of a mercy killing because i stepped on him and he rolled while underneath my boot.. but does that make ame a monster? or a poacher? people blast prarie dogs for fun all over the us.. are they monsters too? them being tried in the case of poaching is fine, completely understandable that a licence to hunt varmit (guessing thats what they are classified as) doesnt include a provision of "with paintball firing equipment" but at the same token, you find me some people that really think highly of skunks as anything more than nusciance anmials in the first place.. but that being said, i understand they were more in trouble for taking game by unaproved methods on public land than anything else i think i had a point in there somewhere.... Tracker

09-22-2007, 11:04 PM	#47 (permalink)
Emerald Wolf Active Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Denver, Colo.	Right here according to the Colorado Small Game Regs: Legal Methods of Take 1. Game Mammals a. Rifles of handguns b. Shotguns cannot be larger than 10 gauge, capable of holding more than 3 shells in the magazine and chamber combined. c. Hand-held bows and crossbows d. Pellet guns and sling shots e. Hawking Now, I paraphrased these a bit to save me some typing, but paintball gun was not on there. Paintball guns are not weapons, and should not be used as such. As noted above, they essentially beat the skunk to death with paintballs. Obviously since they got caught, there must have been others in the area that could be been injured by their wild toot. I think it's good they were punished, but I think their parents could have used a fine as well for raising a dumb ***. But then, I also think the part of the kids penalty is they be lit up like the skunks got. Personally I'm fond of skunks, although I've killed those that chose to dig under my house. I did so with Conibear traps. Quick and clean. For the most part, I kill animals for one of two reasons: nuisance (causing damage) or to eat. Shooting prairie dogs just never caught on with me. But regardless, I think to basically pummel an animal to death with a toy is wrong.....it makes you no better than a cock/dog fighter, "good kid" or not. Catchya on the Flip Side..... Emerald Wolf -- The other thing that cranks me is this is how the National parks get closed to well run private games,

09-23-2007, 01:44 AM	#49 (permalink)
heinous Seasoned Member Join Date: Oct 2006	I agree, he did the right thing ending the chipmunk's suffering. Those kids (and I use that term loosely as a man in his early twenties who is still being called a kid every so often) had no reason to kill 2 skunks. Also, it's like my high school teacher says when asked about handling students as a coach: student athletes are called student athletes because they are students first, and athletes second.

09-23-2007, 12:07 PM	#50 (permalink)
pyrodragon Rec Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Ada, OK till the end of the year, then Belton Texas	no offense their punishment should of been this take a large dog kennel cage with top. the ones made with fence wire. bolt that thing down to the street somewhere in town and put those boys in there with two shunks for two days. see how they fair. if anyone has been to Austin, TX, down on 6th street (club and bar scene) they actually have one of these cages(without the skunks) as the drunk tank during the weekends and major events.