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[aqua_scummm]

Because they're all unbalanced. The ones you just listed are balanced.

[Cunha]

There is absolutely no way Mac dev would be making a low end gun and attempting to sell it for 1000 dollars.

This thing is probably going to cost more than the cyborg. It isnt going to operate like an ION.

I dont know the difference between balance and unbalanced in a spooler. Maybe you can PM me and explain what makes an ion style operation different than a shocker style. And why the Matrix series is not single tube like the shocker. I really want to know. I will pm you.

[kidneythief]

An extrusion is what you get when you sqeeze hot metal through a die. Every single peice of raw metal that you buy that isnt cast is conisdered an extrusion. Now the Merlin "extrusions" that AKA have/had/sold werent techinically extrusions. The 2" x 1" x 6' section of aluminum were purchased just like any other metal and were inturn gun drilled by another company specializing in such an operation. This was done in 6' lengths.

For the "spooler" valve discussion...there are only two types of valves, spool and poppet. It would be possible to patent a specific design but impossible to patent "the spool valve" (or its application) as the "spool" valve has been used since the invention of compressed air, long before the PB industry. Lastly, Im fairly certain that "balancing" only applies to a poppet style valve. I question where scum is recieving his information.

-Jake

[Mr. Furious]

Meh. Looks like every other single tube marker that's arrived since the 2003 Shocker.

If you polish something enough and talk fancy about it you can make a $200 marker worth a $1000+ to paintball players.

[thrive78]

I shot a cyborg at my field and really liked it. They are nice guns and you should try them out. I like this design as it looks light/comfortable and that's probably what they're trying to achieve.

[Mr. Furious]

Originally Posted by Cunha

There is absolutely no way Mac dev would be making a low end gun and attempting to sell it for 1000 dollars.

This thing is probably going to cost more than the cyborg. It isnt going to operate like an ION.

It probably won't look too much like an Ion inside to the casual observer but I'll bet it operates just like one. DP's Threshold is just a refined Ion.

The name on the box means more to the price of the marker than the marker inside. I'm trying to think of an example here.....wait.....I'll get.....just a second.........Oh yeah: Planet Eclipse.

[Dawg047]

In my opinion it looks like a Shocker with say an A1 frame or Ton Ton Shocker frame. I'm sure if it is just another spool valve marker though it will be of superb quality. MacDev makes some amazing quality of products and am sure this will be no different. I have never personally owned one though because parts are hard to find for me and there ususally is not too much in the afteremarket area for MacDev, probably no need though. I will stick with my Olive Dust Mini I ordered(amazing technology if I say so, finaly a change in the paintball world), that KEE won't send me becuase they are making refinements to it before they send this batch out like say an 08 version Oh yes, it will be here Wednesday, shhhh, don't tell anyone. But free up for a MacDev product, they are great great products.

[aqua_scummm]

Originally Posted by kidneythief

For the "spooler" valve discussion...there are only two types of valves, spool and poppet. It would be possible to patent a specific design but impossible to patent "the spool valve" (or its application) as the "spool" valve has been used since the invention of compressed air, long before the PB industry. Lastly, Im fairly certain that "balancing" only applies to a poppet style valve. I question where scum is recieving his information.

-Jake

Balanced spool- the bolt is somewhat pressure balanced, when loaded with air, it more or less does not move (in a perfect world). A solenoid controls both its forwards and rearwards movement.

Unbalanced spool- the firing air pressure is what pushes the bolt forward. A solenoid only returns the bolt to the back position. More kick, less technology=cheaper=less status symbol.

Where I got the info? Dunno, it was a long time ago. Around the time the Ion came out I heard the term for the first time, even though there were others before it.

[jhyan]

Aqua has got it.

Balanced spools include DM's PM's and shockers (quests too I believe). Both forward and rearward travel of the bolt is accomplished through a solenoid (and usually a lpr is used for the solenoid air).

Unbalance Spools are also sometimes called blow forward spools. The original was the automag (blow forward spring returned). The ion is basically of the automag design, except that instead of the spring return with a sear keeping the bolt back when pressurized it has a solenoid pushing air into an area to keep the bolt back. When you pull the trigger, the air is released, allowing the ball propulsion air to blow the bolt forward, releasing the air around the spool valve. The Proto Rail is very similiar to this, and since it's cheaper than the balanced style spools it is becoming a popular design.

[Shocker03]

Originally Posted by Cunha

Wacky.

Extrusions aren't milled except maybe making the sides flat. Im not sure how finished the tubes are on the merlin extrusion from AKA. Just trying to say that aka doesnt mill the extrusions, they extrude them.

Either way. I doubt that AKALMP will be making the bodies for the Droid. The only reason mac dev used the merlin extrusion was because it was top quality and readily available. The most expensive part about an extrusion is making it in the first place, once the mold or whatever it is called is made its easy going to pop off a few bodies.

Since AKA doesn't already have a spooler body made, I am sure mac dev took care of this on their own, or just bought blanks from SP or something.

Just a note, The 08 Cyborgs are no longer using the Merlin Extrusion's so I believe u are right in saying AKALMP will have nothing to do with the droid.