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[thundertb]

I have no desire to be a martyr, nor be crucified. As someone who doesn't buy organized religion and it's trappings, it is funny to push that in my direction. My point is simple, it is easy to talk about tolerance when no one is different or has a differing view point. Rather then debate points, others come in and say things personally directed or even indirected to get little kicks in. When someone says something they point and say well you did it first. I have not put these high standards in place for myself, I never said I was fair or just, I am opinionated and willing to defend those. I am not going to tell you how to think, but I will tell you to think.

But in response to your statements, I do not have all the information on the patent application. As I am sure most will find out, the entire patent application is not all that there is to it. The entire patent applications do not become public knowledge until they are granted. You cannot be an expert because you say you are, you have to be investigated and approved by a judge to be a expert and then you are sworn to secrecy and have to be unbiased in any way shape or form to continue to have said expert status. Well I was told this by a patent attorney, and what little bit is out there supports these statements. The point is that none of us know the entire story, there are companies in the mix that have patent attorneys on staff and have IP in many other industries. They are very familiar with patent law and protection of it. So to think that another AKA incident as you guys call it would happen is pretty far-fetched.

As previously mentioned, those groups all were going to set the world on fire and then fell by the wayside because of 'politics' as someone called it. It's that other word that people like the throw around as well, greed.

But I am still waiting on whether the 'watchdog' group will have a process to review all patents that affect paintball and how someone who has some said patents or involvement in said patents can be neutral? You call it a personal attack, I call it asking for clarification.

[thundertb]

Originally Posted by MondoMor

I learned some new words today that I thought I might share with you guys.

periphrastic
platitude
grandiloquence

And a book I think I'll read: Nonscience

Ahhh a cynic, and here I was thinking you lacked that. However you might want to get to know me a bit better before continuing along this line of thought.

[kidneythief]

Oh my...

Can I hit the kill switch yet...or at least purify this thread.

-Jake

[oldschool]

ditto what Jake said






and just because

[Schmitti]

Is that last one Phil Spector?

Anyways... TB I would love to know why you think that the public review portion of the patent process is somehow secretive with regards to a full release of information... there is an application... it is either completed or not.... and then it gets reviewed and made public for review so that people can get a chance to say "Hey I have prior art"... what part is kept behind closed doors?

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[thundertb]

The part that would allow anyone to be able to create another item from said patent application. If you read back through the PBN post there was inference of that when Billy stated there were other things going in regards to that then he could speak of.

[Schmitti]

TB - As part of the Patent App you submit a drawing. If your drawing is pencil/pen with wavy lines or full cad drafted, it's still a drawing. The drawing is made available for review.

To think that there is some "magical" bit of an extra drawing that gets held back so that others can't see it is bunk. Hell, just from reading that patent application I could sit down and crank out at least a dozen different ways in which they might wish to run that internal gas line... because that is all they are tryaing to patent based on that app.

Sure they may not want to show in that patent app. art some new valve design or noid placement or something along those lines.. and I could understand BG saying what he said if that's what he is refering to .. we can only guess... but what BG said and what is real with regards to the patent app. process are totally 180 degrees from each other.

If you do not display something on the patent app (whether in the claim or the art) then that portion does not get patented... plain and simple... there is no "here's all I can show you now so that someone doesn't see it and run with it" ... that's the whole point of the patent process... you get your idea on paper and into the patent office prior to someone else and if it's approved then the idea is legally yours.. unless someone can come up with legal prior art.

It's that simple... there is no secret bit.. that would make the entire public review portion null and void and illegal.

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[Pickle]

Wow, so this is what MCB has come to eh?

MCB = The new PBN lite?

[thundertb]

Can you take what there is and build an exact copy of it just like it is pictured? Once again I will not be drawn into the finalities of patent law, that is why there are groups of people who represent inventors and companies. I am certainly not going to debate legalese and what the common person should be able to determine from said item.

And if it is so simple that anyone can do it, why is patent law some of the most difficult law to handle? All because someone didn't take prior art to the patent office is why we are in the mess you say we are in? And the courts couldn't strip that patent? Much that way Henry Ford had George Seldon's patent ripped from him? C'mon there is a lot more to it then what you state.

[Schmitti]

I'm sorry Officer... I forgot.

P ... just trying to keep illogic out. Can't have people putting forth false info if the truth is that easily put forth.

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