Patent litigation fund now open

BigMatt-MadCustoms · 10-19-2007, 05:14 PM

Ok guys it is time to put your money where your pie hole is located..I stepped up and dropped some money to this account time for you to do the same..

Matt
MadCustoms

Recieved this from Steve Davidson today..

"the paypal account is open now

make any payments to sdandkg@hotmail.com

please be aware that at this time, there is no organization, nor any tax deductible status associated with these donations. We are working towards those things, but have not achieved them yet.

Funds will remain within the established paypal account (will not be transferred to a personal bank account) unless and until a consensus is reached among the contributors as to its usage.

Thank you very much."

SpinDoctor15 · 10-19-2007, 05:34 PM

Hi Big Matt,

I have been out of the loop with this whole patent thing again. For those of us with no Internetz skills, could you please put a brief summary of what this is for and what the problem is? Thanks!

A.C. Basbas · 10-19-2007, 05:39 PM

Steve Davidson owns a 1988 patent on airguns that use electronic switches and solenoids...

SPs late-90s patent is in clear violation, but those bastard Gardners have more money to fight it out in court, which is why so many companies (with legitimate claims to the product they invented and patented) have backed down in the past when SP has taken them to court, or even just threatened to do so.

Brewtt · 10-19-2007, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpinDoctor15

Hi Big Matt,

I have been out of the loop with this whole patent thing again. For those of us with no Internetz skills, could you please put a brief summary of what this is for and what the problem is? Thanks!

Read here: http://www.mcarterbrown.com/forums/n...akthrough.html

Grab some popcorn.

Schmitti · 10-19-2007, 05:48 PM

From Tallen702 in the above mentioned thread:

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Guys, if you are willing to contribute funds or time to the re-examination process, please PM SteveDavidson here at MCB. He is the one setting up the corporate structure for the 501(c) and has already agreed to hold the money aside for whatever reason it was donated.

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Mar · 10-19-2007, 06:53 PM

Why not assign the rights to the previous patents to someone with deep pockets? (kee, dye, etc?) and do battle that way?

Dylan6-0 · 10-19-2007, 07:32 PM

Cause I am guessing Steve doesn't want money, or to take out companies with his patent. That is exactly what any of those companies would do. I am hoping Steve is just going to not enforce the patent, so its open to any one.

jhyan · 10-19-2007, 07:39 PM

I wonder if some of the big companies would want to help, seeings as how they are 'paying licensing fees / not charging fees on thier own patents' because of SP. If SP loses the patent they could reconfigure thier arrangements with SP.

Someone ought to post on MatrixOwner.com about this. Some employees of DYE, and occaisionally the big man of DYE himself goes on MO to see how things are doing and answer questions.

On the other hand, maybe the big companies will see this as an attack on large companies holding broad patents and be against it.... hrmmmmmm.

Dylan6-0 · 10-19-2007, 09:14 PM

Dave Young Blood is almost as bad as SP. Not to get into details, but he isn't a man of his word.

Tallen702 · 10-19-2007, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A.C. Basbas

Steve Davidson owns a 1988 patent on airguns that use electronic switches and solenoids...

SPs late-90s patent is in clear violation, but those bastard Gardners have more money to fight it out in court, which is why so many companies (with legitimate claims to the product they invented and patented) have backed down in the past when SP has taken them to court, or even just threatened to do so.

Just a quick correction there Basbas, it is Sany Edelman who owns the 1998 patent on an air-gun that uses solenoids, electronics, etc. Not Steve.

To answer the question about Edelman charging royalties himself and being just as bad as SP. The patent runs out 20 years from the date it was patented. It then becomes public domain and retains status as prior art meaning that no-one can then attempt to patent the same thing without significant improvements again. That would put the date that Mr. Edelman would be able to collect royalties until at Sept of 2008. Now, he would be able to sue anyone who was in direct violation of his patent (i.e. smart-parts) up to 6 years after the patent expires (this is the statute of limitations). Therefore, he would be able to sue them claiming all the royalties that they took from everyone else.

10-19-2007, 05:14 PM	#1 (permalink)
BigMatt-MadCustoms Hawaiian-shirted hooligan Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Near Knoxvegas TN :)	Patent litigation fund now open Ok guys it is time to put your money where your pie hole is located..I stepped up and dropped some money to this account time for you to do the same.. Matt MadCustoms Recieved this from Steve Davidson today.. "the paypal account is open now make any payments to sdandkg@hotmail.com please be aware that at this time, there is no organization, nor any tax deductible status associated with these donations. We are working towards those things, but have not achieved them yet. Funds will remain within the established paypal account (will not be transferred to a personal bank account) unless and until a consensus is reached among the contributors as to its usage. Thank you very much."

10-19-2007, 05:34 PM	#2 (permalink)
SpinDoctor15 a.k.a. FullSpinPaintball Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Los Angeles, CA	Hi Big Matt, I have been out of the loop with this whole patent thing again. For those of us with no Internetz skills, could you please put a brief summary of what this is for and what the problem is? Thanks! __________________ Jason Spin Doc Spin Doctor's Paintball Page - Lots of cool stuff!!! Feedback on MCB - read here Feedback on PBNation Feedback on PBNation (old-style) Gun Hoarder, n. Pronunciation Key (gn), (hoard"er): A person who accumulates a supply of weapons, consisting of a metal tube from which a projectile is fired at high velocity into a relatively flat trajectory, that are hidden or carefully guarded for preservation and/or future use. russc: "PBN is a business, and that's why they prefer thousands of morons to hundreds of intelligent posters"

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10-19-2007, 06:53 PM	#6 (permalink)
Mar I awesome and so can you! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: 5,987 posts	Why not assign the rights to the previous patents to someone with deep pockets? (kee, dye, etc?) and do battle that way? __________________

10-19-2007, 07:32 PM	#7 (permalink)
Dylan6-0 MCB Member Join Date: Apr 2006	Cause I am guessing Steve doesn't want money, or to take out companies with his patent. That is exactly what any of those companies would do. I am hoping Steve is just going to not enforce the patent, so its open to any one. __________________ http://xtreme-paintball.com/index.html Sick Field Feedback

10-19-2007, 07:39 PM	#8 (permalink)
jhyan Cheffer Join Date: Apr 2006	I wonder if some of the big companies would want to help, seeings as how they are 'paying licensing fees / not charging fees on thier own patents' because of SP. If SP loses the patent they could reconfigure thier arrangements with SP. Someone ought to post on MatrixOwner.com about this. Some employees of DYE, and occaisionally the big man of DYE himself goes on MO to see how things are doing and answer questions. On the other hand, maybe the big companies will see this as an attack on large companies holding broad patents and be against it.... hrmmmmmm.

10-19-2007, 09:14 PM	#9 (permalink)
Dylan6-0 MCB Member Join Date: Apr 2006	Dave Young Blood is almost as bad as SP. Not to get into details, but he isn't a man of his word. __________________ http://xtreme-paintball.com/index.html Sick Field Feedback