PTP and BE come to deal over IP suit. - Page 2

custar · 12-11-2007, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by russc

IIRC, WGP was actually supposed to have come out with a pneumatic triggered blowback line. They are, of course, part of the same company as Brass Eagle.

That was my understanding also. I didn't bookmark or save the thread, unfortunately, but I do remember an announcement about this as the reason AGD didn't wind up with the technology.

custar

stevedavidson · 12-12-2007, 11:55 AM

ask and you shall receive - or at least as much as I can tell you.

HPL - your assunmptions about the 'mystery company' are essentially correct.

Your assumptions about why they did not move forward with the P-trigger are NOT.

They did not 'drop' the project - there was apparently internal dissension between different business divisions at BE.

There was far more licensed than locking feednecks.

Please come to your own conclusions based on the following facts: PTP brought the suit. PTP Prevailed. I think I know who asked for the gag order...

There's a blog about it at The Gnome On Paintball - courtesy of 68caliber's gnome. Pretty incendiary but I didn't see anything in there that was incorrect.

***

When I worked at AT&T, we hired an awful lot of consultants on a per-job basis (writers, programmers, designers, artists, etc) and I always had to listen to the complaints from them about not getting paid. This obviously bothered me since it impacted the work they did for us. I decided to investigate on their behalf and this is basically what I was told: AT&T is a BIG company holding all of the cards. Contractors are little companies that can't defend themselves. The extra money AT&T earns on interest by keeping the money in the bank, rather than paying on time, is well worth any negative impact it might have on job performance. If they don't like it, there are plenty of other contractors waiting in the wings to get screwed...

Naturally, that was all off the record; it also included platitudes like - when those guys can claim AT&T as a client, they can get lots of additional work.

I soon discovered that the above attitude seemed to be a common thing amongst large corporations.

HP_Lovecraft · 12-12-2007, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by stevedavidson

They did not 'drop' the project - there was apparently internal dissension between different business divisions at BE.

PTP brought the suit. PTP Prevailed. I think I know who asked for the gag order...

Well, if PTP had a legitimate contract with BE, and BE did not meet there end of the contract because of internal problems, then it would seem that PTP had every right to sue.

At work, we end up with lots of marketing contracts that have specific stipulations like "Must produce a specific product by a specific date, or loose rights and subject to fees, etc"

I'm more curious about the technical aspects. What product was BE going to come out with? Something like the old Reflec Cocker? And why the gag order? Is PTP about to release somethnig, and does not want the media to focus on the suit?

nick

cockerpunk · 12-12-2007, 03:45 PM

interesting ...

amcfall · 12-12-2007, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by HP_Lovecraft

And why the gag order? Is PTP about to release somethnig, and does not want the media to focus on the suit?

nick

The way I read it, BE got the order, most likely so no one knows that they tried to shaft a vendor/partner/IP provider.

Avery

stevedavidson · 12-18-2007, 05:38 PM

AMC - I'm point my finger at my nose...

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stevedavidson Active Member Join Date: Aug 2007	ask and you shall receive - or at least as much as I can tell you. HPL - your assunmptions about the 'mystery company' are essentially correct. Your assumptions about why they did not move forward with the P-trigger are NOT. They did not 'drop' the project - there was apparently internal dissension between different business divisions at BE. There was far more licensed than locking feednecks. Please come to your own conclusions based on the following facts: PTP brought the suit. PTP Prevailed. I think I know who asked for the gag order... There's a blog about it at The Gnome On Paintball - courtesy of 68caliber's gnome. Pretty incendiary but I didn't see anything in there that was incorrect. *** When I worked at AT&T, we hired an awful lot of consultants on a per-job basis (writers, programmers, designers, artists, etc) and I always had to listen to the complaints from them about not getting paid. This obviously bothered me since it impacted the work they did for us. I decided to investigate on their behalf and this is basically what I was told: AT&T is a BIG company holding all of the cards. Contractors are little companies that can't defend themselves. The extra money AT&T earns on interest by keeping the money in the bank, rather than paying on time, is well worth any negative impact it might have on job performance. If they don't like it, there are plenty of other contractors waiting in the wings to get screwed... Naturally, that was all off the record; it also included platitudes like - when those guys can claim AT&T as a client, they can get lots of additional work. I soon discovered that the above attitude seemed to be a common thing amongst large corporations.

12-18-2007, 05:38 PM	#16 (permalink)
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