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[drg]

Originally Posted by minimag03

AO had a true BPS contest a few months back. Someone won with a true 15 bps. So it's possible, but only one person out of a whole forum could pull 15 bps. The rest were around 12 bps if I remember correctly...

It was actually 2 YEARS back (how time flies!). As the runner-up in that competition, I really dispute whether that guy pulled a true 15. His video technically did not meet the standards required by the competition. My entry averaged 13.8 bps, 15 over the first few seconds slowing down as the loader emptied.

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I have since seen video somewhere of Blazestorm and he would likely have won the contest walking away. He's the only person I have ever seen that could legitimately pull over 16 with two fingers.

[Marmaduke]

Originally Posted by drg

I have since seen video somewhere of Blazestorm and he would likely have won the contest walking away. He's the only person I have ever seen that could legitimately pull over 16 with two fingers.

You guys are forgetting that people are moving to using three fingers.

[Ronin]

Originally Posted by Mr. Furious

I play with a stock mechanical cocker and get just as many eliminations(or more) as I do when I play with any given uber gun.

I do that as well sometimes. The look of shock and dismay in the eyes of the people who just moments before were looking down their noses at my "antique" is so incredibly satisfying.

With the JPA tournament series, we had an issue of how to get more new players into the sport. Especially now with the import ban, we have to make do with what we have in the country now. So what I decided on was three divisions, divided by marker technology rather than player ranking.

We have three divisions: Rental (self-explanitory, though players may use their own hoppers and barrels), Mechanical (any marker that does not contain a battery), and Open (anything goes). If a player or team wants to step up, there is no obstacle in doing so, as a Rental or Mech gun may be used in Open.

Keep in mind that currently in Japan we have only a few hundred markers in private hands, and only 2 active, long-term teams. If the player base were anything like back in the States (or even just Texas or California) we'd have to reconsider, but for now it works.

But I digress.

If players are not coming back after their first time because they got shot to bits by ramping guns, the field owners ought to have their heads examined. Just don't allow it, and enforce your rules.

The dinks who shoot up new players ought to be ashamed of themselves, but I doubt they are. They're too busy trying to be cool (er, sorry, I guess it's "agg"?). I think "respect" and "consideration" are going the way of "honor" on the paintball field.

Blah, blah, blah. Ok, so we can't turn back the clock, we have to deal with the real. (well, to be honest, YOU have to deal with it. I'm over here in Japan where I get to make the rules) I think 13.33 is kind of a silly stop-gap measure, but it's a start.

I did PM Lane Wright in invitation to join this discussion on MCB. I'm not holding my breath.

[JKR]

Originally Posted by Tallen702

As for ramping on the rec-field having an insane ROF, what about Tippmann R/Ts? are you going to scream about how unfair they are as well?

Yes, I believe paintball should be straight semi only - electro or mechanical. One trigger pull, one shot... I believe the RT triggers are every bit as dangerous as ramping or cheater boards.

I've been playing this sport for over 15 years now and had been drooling over catalogs and magazines for 5 more years prior to that.

My apologies - if you have been involved in the game that long and still have a passion for it, you have a measure of respect from me for that alone.


Do you honestly think that putting a lower bps cap in place means that little johnny aggro isn't going to just unlock his bps cap and still rip on people out on the field?

As above, I believe in straight semi only - one pull, one shot. If I were the paintball king, no 'gun would have any firing modes, ramping, or cheat boards of any kind...period.


I love this sport for everything it has given me and everything it offers. But rather than try to restrain it to what it was 5 years ago, let alone 10 years ago, I embrace every new technology that comes down the road because innovation is the only way you keep things from getting stagnant.

What earth-shattering innovation has hit soccer, football, running, baseball, basketball, tennis, rugby, shot put, etc, etc?

None really...that is the hallmark of true sport in my opinion. Anything that relies so heavily on technology rather than human potential isn't elevated to sport. For that reason, I consider paintball a game and always have. I and many others don't consider it a sport. I love paintball, don't get me wrong, but it will never be elevated to olympic status in it's current form. Someone else mentioned that above - about stock class being the only olympic-worthy variant of paintball.

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[russc]

I agree, particularly with that last paragraph.

NASCAR is the only other sport I can think of that so closely resembles the arms race in paintball. What a snooze.

It's too bad that people have to scratch their heads to try and find an equalizer for tournament play. We have had plenty of equalized technology along the way. It just takes a regression by the leagues. I applaud the PSP for taking the first baby step.

I'd love to see the day when batteries are eliminated from the paintball gun. In this day of pneu-trigger technology, I don't understand why electropneumatics are neccessary. Oh well - that's the free market for you.

Here's hoping that pump leagues enjoy huge success and growth in 2008.

[drg]

Originally Posted by Marmaduke

You guys are forgetting that people are moving to using three fingers.

No, that's why I said TWO FINGERS clearly. The issue of 3+ fingers is separate, kids with small fingers have been doing it for years, but a hard cap solves that anyway.

[Horizon]

Although the idea of stock class speedball would come very close to potentially turning paintball into a sport rather than a game, I think the only real way to do it is to limit the amount of paintballs a team can carry onto the field. Limit the paint (severely), the game then becomes much more about athleticism and tactics, than the game that is currently played. "Paintball management" becomes part of tactics of the game instead of "how many paintballs is it humanly possible to carry and shoot during a game?". It will probably never happen on a global level, but it would be interesting to see how many more people that would attract into the game. Players would actually be able to afford to be competitve, instead of it being a game for those that are either ultra committed or have a huge expendable income.

[sparky]

15 bps is a good start to bring down the ROF that has been uncontrolable since the beginings of the sport. 13 bps is even better, but it's still too high. I'd like to see 10 bps limit in the long term.

13 bps ramping or 13 bps semi still means the potenial of 13 balls in the air. Ramping itself isn't the evil, it's the ROF. And people with ichy triggers, poor attidudes and low respect levels will always be here.

Go ahead, use you 30 bps uncapped ramping board in recball. Just don't light someone up and I'm totally cool with. The (paintball) world is a small place and not very nice people are made infamous very quickely. Hard to play when nobody wants to play with you.

[b to the a to the k]

Newsflash:

Paintball is not a sport, and never will be.

It is a recreational hobby, where one either dresses up like a clown and hides behind balloons or pretends to be rambo and chases sweaty men through the woods.

[sdawg]

Originally Posted by b to the a to the k

Paintball is not a sport, and never will be.

You're doing it wrong.