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[Su8lime Paintball]

Originally Posted by Party of A-5

Like I said before- very, very good work.
You guys at Qloader are amazing, I might have to pick one up to tinker with just because I have all those tippmann parts lying around getting rusty.

Like I said before: NOT A QLOADER MARKER. It's a Trilogy/RAP4 that's been around forever. I use one, and I even have one currently F/S here on MCB with a Q-loader mount. It's just new spin on an old gun.

[RealtorTommy]

Then why are they marketing it with tippmann?...smoking the crack?

qloader custom manufactured marker specs:
cnc aluminum body
Tippmann A5 internals
Tippmann 98 hammer and cocking handle
two step top rail
upgradable, easily removable firing chamber with shroud threading
A5 grip and trigger assembly
A5 rear plug
will except all Tippmann A5 grip, trigger, internals, and buttstock upgrades
direct bottom feed qloader

[Party of A-5]

Originally Posted by Su8lime Paitnball

Like I said before: NOT A QLOADER MARKER. It's a Trilogy/RAP4 that's been around forever. I use one, and I even have one currently F/S here on MCB with a Q-loader mount. It's just new spin on an old gun.

Your wrong.
Look at where the cocking rod is, the location of rails and the shape of the body+ where body screws are visible.
Plus most obviously the cocking handle is on the right on the Qmarker vs left for the rap4 one.




V.S.

[Su8lime Paintball]

Originally Posted by RealtorTommy

Then why are they marketing it with tippmann?

qloader custom manufactured marker specs:
cnc aluminum body
Tippmann A5 internals
Tippmann 98 hammer and cocking handle
two step top rail
upgradable, easily removable firing chamber with shroud threading
A5 grip and trigger assembly
A5 rear plug
will except all Tippmann A5 grip, trigger, internals, and buttstock upgrades
direct bottom feed qloader

RAP4/Trinity marker specs: Exactly as above

(except with a stepped charge handle on the other side of the marker)


They're marketing with Tippmann because Qloader has no production facilities capable of making markers, and as far as anyone is concerned Tippmann rules the woodsball scene (for good reason, they work!). It's a matter of who can make it and make it look good.

The only reason RAP4/Trinity don't market with them is because niether company produces their own markers; they're merely US companies who import and rebrand them from mainland China. This is essentially Tippmanns take on a marker that was a Tippmann clone; a clone of a clone, if you will.

[RealtorTommy]

so Rap4 has tippmann internals?

[Su8lime Paintball]

Originally Posted by Party of A-5

Your wrong.
Look at where the cocking rod is, the location of rails and the shape of the body+ where body screws are visible.
Plus most obviously the cocking handle is on the right on the Qmarker vs left for the rap4 one.

http://rap4.pl/sklep/catalog/images/...ag_Kit_Gun.jpg


V.S.


http://www.qloader.com/products/qm.jpg

It's a stepped rod, as I mentioned earlier. When you hold the finished markers together, they are almost entirely identical; even the internals are compatible. The RAP4 magazine kit even fits on the Qloader gun, and the Qloader mount fits the RAP4!

A little milling and a stepped cocking rod doesn't make it a different marker... Plenty of lawsuits have proved that in the paintball world, believe me. Look at the permanent barrel collar; the only other A5 internal gun with one is the RAP4. The stock bodies are the same, too.

It's easy to talk about these things, but being so set in your ways when you haven't held or fired either marker is just silly. Saying "you're wrong" doesn't hold much weight if you haven't held either gun

[Su8lime Paintball]

Originally Posted by RealtorTommy

so Rap4 has tippmann internals?

Yep. It's 95% compatible with the A-5, and some parts are 98 compatible. There's one on the RAP4 forums that's been almost completely replaced with Trinity A5 upgrades, even an eGrip and bolt assembly. The only difference with an A5 is the cocking rod, which on both Qloader and RAP4 is rear located (albeit with a steppe). The major difference is the fixed barrel collar.

[RealtorTommy]

ok on the 95%.....still the tippmann has to be built better then the crappy Trinity...

At least the clamshells.....also...some posted that the e-grip would have to be modified to go on the Trinity...

[MondoMor]

I'm not understanding.

When I went on their forums a month (or two?) ago, it was made from a machined-from-billet aluminum receiver with A5 internals.

They changed it to a RAP-based gun?

Edit: Here's the UndergroundModShop thread where I learned about it.

[Party of A-5]

Originally Posted by MondoMor

I'm not understanding.

When I went on their forums a month (or two?) ago, it was made from a machined-from-billet aluminum receiver with A5 internals.

They changed it to a RAP-based gun?

Edit: Here's the UndergroundModShop thread where I learned about it.

No, that's why he's wrong. It's not rap4 based in any way.