General

[Mr. Furious]

I really don't think they can make this fly because it will alienate a lot of players. Not just the tourney gun toting or mil sim guys but what about the kids with A5's? I don't know much about them but I know for sure that the cyclone is not a gravity fed loading system so unless there is a mod to make it such, they will be basically telling a big segment of paintballers that they are only welcome one afternoon a month with their fast shooting guns. I could easily play with a gravity fed hopper on any of my guns and not care a bit but someone with an A5 or other factory built force-feed system will be out of luck.

IMHO they at least need to expand it to include agitated loaders like the Revolution. An inconsistent 12BPS was never too much when we were shooting blind electro-cockers, shockers and Angels so why is it too much now?

[Diomedes]

I wish a couple of fields by me would do that, might make walk-on ball fun again.

[Walking_Target]

I think that they won't have a problem with A-5s or anything like that, they're trying to get away from the ion toting agglets that spray and pray

[Uranus]

I like it

[Moosepatrol]

I like this idea a lot. As for my "overdeveloped ninja skills", is that really a bad thing? I can actually go through the brush without to much noise, sneak up on an agg and put one in his backside without him seeing. The guy who wrote that made it sound like a bad thing. Having a skill nowadays is bad but pumping out 12-15 bps is good. I just don't get agg.

[usagi_tetsu]

The last time I was out there, roughly 4 months ago, there were a LOT of people with cyclone feeds on their markers, and only some us were toting markers (read, M98's) that could be converted back to an elbow feed. So a lot of A5's and X7's that don't come, stock, with an option to change to a conventional non-agitated hopper. This is definitely going to make more than a few players in the area unhappy.

Personally, my happy medium would be to restrict hoppers to SPPL rules (non-force-fed hoppers - except the Q due to its low capacity) but that's only because I have a ton of fast mechanical semi's and a few non-eyed electros (old Toxic Toys Tribals that I'm not putting eyes into). I have no problems playing rec with a 12v Revvy, but trying to use a "slap" agitated hopper means at least three times a day, I'm shooting a blender. Then again, I do have more than a few pumps laying about (5 at last count), and some really old mechanical semis, all of which I'd love to have an excuse to take out and play with (like a Tippmann SMG-60 factory upgraded to a .68 Special, would love to get a "clank tank" for it and fling some paint with the old girl). This will be a perfect opportunity, as I won't have that psychological block of "oh, I'd better take my 'mag/'cocker/M98C, or I'm just going to be outgunned by the Ion-totin' AGG kiddiez". Now it don't matter if the other guy has an Ion, he's got the same rate of fire as the newbie with the rental.

So, overall, I'm very surprised at the announcement, but, after some serious initial doubt, I am now happy to see one of my local fields stepping up to this level of consideration for the rec-ball'ers and rental-totin' newbies.

Anyone else local to the field have an opinion? I'm not disparaging everyone else's comments just because they're not local, but I'm interested in seeing if DZ will still be a viable business because we the locals support their decision with our continued patronage.

[ehos]

It's for rec players. If people are offended by the rule change, then maybe they should step up from newbie night.

No field should be mixing the newer/rec players with guys with their own equipment/regular players (it's a stupid way to lose a good source of income).

[ceverhart]

I am in hutchinson ks and have played at DZ few times. I believe something must be done about the rate of fire on the fields. I do not believe this to be a "happy" medium. I would prefer the field to limit it to non-force fed hoppers, I believe some feed as slow as 7-9 to bps. I dont want to deal with a blender it sucks to clean em and it sucks to destroy my own paint. I also wonder about all the tippman a5 and x7 guys with cyclones, they have to buy a new gun now to play? If this is to protect renters or players lacking in hoppers put them in a group, and the others in another group.

[Tallen702]

While I think this is an interesting move to say the least, I think that going back to non-agitated gravity-fed hoppers is the wrong way to do it. I understand the principle behind it, but for Christ's sake, I can out-shoot a standard hopper with a mech spyder and chop a ball which just ruins the whole deal for me.

Those of you who played with me at the Cold *** Game this past month know that I was out there running with a revvy on an e-1 'cocker and no eyes. Out-shooting a revy on semi is pretty much impossible and it keeps from having chops. I've never had it out-shoot the revvy (non x-board even). If kids throw the ramping features on with their markers, they aren't going to go faster than the 12bps that drop from a revy anyway. Heck, even a stock tippmann 98 benefits from using a revy.

My praise of the ReVLution aside, does this mean that if you go play with a VM-68 (which shakes enough to practically agitate the hopper when it fires) you're going to get accused of "hosing"?

[DarkArmorPB]

I play with a shake and bake hopper all the time. Whats the big deal?

DA