Drop Zone paintball limits rec play to Gravity Fed hoppers only! - Page 4

Horizon · 02-01-2008, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SEKTape

I live in Lawrence, so Drop Zone's my local field. I'm also going to be working there as a ref this season. The logic behind this move is pretty sound, and I'm anxious to see how it plays out.

Of course, it's just going to hurt the tournament players. I mean, the only allowing gravity fed hoppers is going to put them at a serious firepower disadvantage playing against pump and stock class guns.

This is only for rec. play. It shouldn't affect the tournament player....except for the tournament player that likes to shoot up rec. players. And that person is scum, so who cares?

Mr. Furious · 02-01-2008, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SEKTape

I live in Lawrence, so Drop Zone's my local field. I'm also going to be working there as a ref this season. The logic behind this move is pretty sound, and I'm anxious to see how it plays out.

Of course, it's just going to hurt the tournament players. I mean, the only allowing gravity fed hoppers is going to put them at a serious firepower disadvantage playing against pump and stock class guns.

It's not true that it will only hurt tourney players. Lots of guys that don't play tourneys like to shoot nice guns and this move is ruining their investment. They are catering to new customers and telling their old customers that they don't care about their needs or desires. IMHO that's a slap in the face to the folks that supported the field to this point.

Guys who play golf by the best clubs they can afford even if they don't play tournaments. Tennis players do the same. Bicyclists as well. Just about any sport that uses equipment will have people buy the best gear they can because they like to use nice things. Telling people that they are bad or are ruining paintball because of the equipment they choose to use is just plain wrong. In almost any group the problematic people are a very small percentage so why not address the problem people instead of ruining things for everyone?

SEKTape · 02-01-2008, 11:53 PM

Horizon: It was a joke, man.

Mr. Furious: The parallels aren't nearly as solid as you'd like them to be. The players who invest in expensive gear can use everything except the hopper, and will still be able to use their expensive hoppers at special events and on certain weekends.

There's a huge difference between buying a nice set of golf clubs and an expensive paintball gun (i.e. I'm not going to swing my golf clubs at you). One of the key things this rule is aimed at stopping is overshooting.

Also, this ruling isn't a matter of giving preference to new customers. Instead, it's designed make paintball less expensive and help people improve their skills. It will also help keep the playing field more level. But, if it does, this isn't necessarily a bad thing. Our sport can't become so elitist that we think it's okay to push new people out because they're new.

Finally, an appeal to the great paintball sage: Bandit.

The Whiteboard, a vaguely paintball webcomic by "Doc" Nickel

Bored383 · 02-02-2008, 12:06 AM

sounds like a good idea to me

I'd use one of my VM's - cuz as others have noted they are self agitating - or one of my 'mags, probably the x-valved LX equipped ghettominimag - cuz it won't chop.

now whether I used a hopper or a stickfeed would be the question

Horizon · 02-02-2008, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by SEKTape

Horizon: It was a joke, man.

Oh, I know it was a joke. Didn't mean to come across that I was taking it seriously. Sorry. My statement still stands though.

Old Man · 02-02-2008, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by brycelarson

I love the guy half way down that says "I'm never playing semi without at least a Revvy."

I guess I was just having a hallucination about those hundreds of thousands of paintballs I shot out of my semis back in the day out of my VL200....

Not long ago I played most of the day with a Winchester pocket hopper on my Matrix. Hey, I left my Halo at home and only had my pump hopper. And I had a blast!!!

russc · 02-02-2008, 01:45 AM

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Once a month we’ll have unlimited open class play on a Sunday afternoon. If you want to show off your super fast hopper and gun and get that thrill of rattling off 15+ bps then this will be your chance.

Most people don't play more than once a month, if that. Sounds fair to me.

93civiccpe · 02-02-2008, 01:45 AM

I don't know if this has already been mentioned, but what about tippman a5's with the RT or electro set up and a qev. The stock hopper on there is already a force feeding cyclone system. I wonder what they do about those?

Horizon · 02-02-2008, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 93civiccpe

I don't know if this has already been mentioned, but what about tippman a5's with the RT or electro set up and a qev. The stock hopper on there is already a force feeding cyclone system. I wonder what they do about those?

I suppose they probably won't allow them. They would probably be viewed as part of the problem.

stevedavidson · 02-02-2008, 09:20 AM

moving (see you soon M. Carter Brown) process is in place so I'm just reviewing and if others have mentioned this, just ignore.

When we put NPPL together, I strongly advocated for 'gravity feed hoppers only', as it was a natural divide and limiter on not only rate of fire but the arms race and paintball gun technology.

That was in 1992. I and a few others saw where we were headed and made a stand for SKILL over technology.

Unfortunately, the almighty dollar trumps most sensible legislation in this day and age and this one was no exception. There were plenty of people who thought it was more important to sell more paintballs, more and faster ROF markers while sacrificing the game and safety.

Had I been successful in getting this rule adopted back then, I do not believe it would have seriously affected industry growth as big money had already invested in the industry by that time. We were also trying to delineate the line between rec play and tournament play and this would have underscored it. I also doubt that we'd have declining attendance numbers - we'd probably still be growing.

Bad logic once again. The moment that the majority favors pennies NOW instead of millions later is the moment that you should wake up and recognize that whatever thing you're passionate about has irrevocably changed for the worst and its time to look for another hobby.

02-01-2008, 11:53 PM	#33 (permalink)
SEKTape Active Member Join Date: Jan 2007	Horizon: It was a joke, man. Mr. Furious: The parallels aren't nearly as solid as you'd like them to be. The players who invest in expensive gear can use everything except the hopper, and will still be able to use their expensive hoppers at special events and on certain weekends. There's a huge difference between buying a nice set of golf clubs and an expensive paintball gun (i.e. I'm not going to swing my golf clubs at you). One of the key things this rule is aimed at stopping is overshooting. Also, this ruling isn't a matter of giving preference to new customers. Instead, it's designed make paintball less expensive and help people improve their skills. It will also help keep the playing field more level. But, if it does, this isn't necessarily a bad thing. Our sport can't become so elitist that we think it's okay to push new people out because they're new. Finally, an appeal to the great paintball sage: Bandit. The Whiteboard, a vaguely paintball webcomic by "Doc" Nickel __________________ Reagan's Army "Arrogance on the part of the meritorious is even more offensive to us than the arrogance of those without merit: for merit itself is offensive." -Friedrch Nietzsche "To love is to protect. To protect is to never betray." -Brandon Heat Last edited by SEKTape; 02-02-2008 at 12:30 AM..

02-02-2008, 12:06 AM	#34 (permalink)
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02-02-2008, 01:45 AM	#38 (permalink)
93civiccpe Active Member Join Date: Jul 2006	I don't know if this has already been mentioned, but what about tippman a5's with the RT or electro set up and a qev. The stock hopper on there is already a force feeding cyclone system. I wonder what they do about those?

02-02-2008, 09:20 AM	#40 (permalink)
stevedavidson Active Member Join Date: Aug 2007	moving (see you soon M. Carter Brown) process is in place so I'm just reviewing and if others have mentioned this, just ignore. When we put NPPL together, I strongly advocated for 'gravity feed hoppers only', as it was a natural divide and limiter on not only rate of fire but the arms race and paintball gun technology. That was in 1992. I and a few others saw where we were headed and made a stand for SKILL over technology. Unfortunately, the almighty dollar trumps most sensible legislation in this day and age and this one was no exception. There were plenty of people who thought it was more important to sell more paintballs, more and faster ROF markers while sacrificing the game and safety. Had I been successful in getting this rule adopted back then, I do not believe it would have seriously affected industry growth as big money had already invested in the industry by that time. We were also trying to delineate the line between rec play and tournament play and this would have underscored it. I also doubt that we'd have declining attendance numbers - we'd probably still be growing. Bad logic once again. The moment that the majority favors pennies NOW instead of millions later is the moment that you should wake up and recognize that whatever thing you're passionate about has irrevocably changed for the worst and its time to look for another hobby.