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[davidwirth]

yeah, I like taking the stick and poking the nest.

[thkyle]

Originally Posted by zulu

Lol. I was making a joke in reference to that post. I'm actually versed quite well in African/African American history. What the north meant for "good" the south took and ran with, so to speak. This particular discussion would go waaaaaaay off topic. Thanks for attempting to inform someone though.

cocker and david are funny though. It's like a bad Vaudeville act. Hehe.

No way...............ahhhh, what was the topic of this thread anyway.......before it got anal repulsive?

[big jim]

Originally Posted by cockerpunk

right .... am i taking crazy pills? someone besides david answer that one please.

being still in public education (about the only colleges you can find around here with techincal degrees) and just a few years out of high school i think ill be trusting my experience with that system over what you tell me. i switched teachers in junior and senior high almost every trimester, however, depending on if your system is on semesters, trimesters or quarters, that number can clearly float around a bit.
mates). esp when the two parents are still part of the body teaching your child even in public school?


also, to the whole TA and others business ... again, being a current college student, im gonna trust myself on that whole thing. i talk to professors, TAs and such all the time outside of class. and i never once said anything about rape either.

Ok, as you asked, I'll try. First, while it was never mentioned that we were only talking about the first 12, 13 if you count K, grades that is how I understood it as well. After all I don't think there are many cases of parents home schooling post secondary students.
You really have had conversations with your TAs? I couldn't understand what most of them said, the one from Tennessee was the worst to understand too.
If you are going to pull the trick of including tutors and friends into the equation on the public schooled side you need to include them on the home schooled side as well. For those not familiar with home schooling it may be a surprise to find that there almost as many different methods of home schooling as there are students. In most of the communities there are home school organizations that set up classes usually on a weekly or bi-weekly schedule. These classes allow people with different backgrounds and areas of expertise to offer their knowledge to the students. The children are able to learn form other trusted adults and other children in this environment as well. Also not all religious based. The current groups we belong to is a very eclectic group consisting largely of familys of the local university professors. They wanted to give their children a different education than what they saw in the local public schools.

Cocker Punk, I think where we disagree primarily is that I believe that as parents we have a responsibility to to teach moral values to our children and see that we give them the best start we can. You keep stating that morals are not taught but are the values a person learns and holds so I went to dictionary.com and came away with this:
mor·al /ˈmɔrəl, ˈmɒr-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[mawr-uhl, mor-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. of, pertaining to, or concerned with the principles or rules of right conduct or the distinction between right and wrong; ethical: moral attitudes.
2. expressing or conveying truths or counsel as to right conduct, as a speaker or a literary work; moralizing: a moral novel.
3. founded on the fundamental principles of right conduct rather than on legalities, enactment, or custom: moral obligations.

A re-occurring theme seems to be knowing right and wrong. This usually isn't something a person just picks up on their own. Ethics of convince are usually what people pick up by themselves. It is ok to say that as long as the relationship is long and you truly care about each other sex is acceptable, the ring doesn't matter. But what happens when you both graduate and find jobs 600 miles apart? I will admit that many people today forget about the commitment and divorce but that also goes against the moral values that I think you are talking about. I was going to preach here as I think it fits but I don't think it would be appreciated so I won't.
I will say that David and I were once 22 and I know I remember how much I thought I knew then, looking back, boy was I stupid! I'd bet David would say the same thing. The point is that whether you are 22 or 6 or 45 you have a lot to learn and your understanding of the world is not perfect. However as someone with a vested interest and more knowledge that my children I think I have an obligation to give them more guidance than just sending them off to some unnamed strangers and hoping that they turn out ok.

[Raion]

[davidwirth]

Originally Posted by Raion

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/allpo....off.topic.jpg

yeah well the original topic wasn't as lively as this

[cockerpunk]

well those bars certainly didn't hop themselves ...

big jim ... the key is the key i think you are missing is that you can't "teach" morals and values to someone. you can tell them over and over and over and over again, but when they are totally independent of there support system, what they choose is really what there morals are. and they dont get those morals by simply internalizing what there parents say, they get them by understanding why, how and what consequences there are of each action. you can certainly tell your kids your morals and values, and they can even swear that they agree with them. the test comes though when they have to rely on themselves, and no one else, and what they decide there will be there morals and values. its a matter of growing up, maturing, and that doesn't happen when dad and mom are holding your hand the whole way. now i never said leave the unarmed - i never said that. i have only said that simply tell your kids over and over what you think, isn't teaching them anything. they must rely on themselves for right and wrong, so thats a dicition they make themselves, deep down.

as to my personal situation, the relationship is currently a long distance one. she got a free ride scholarship to an out of state school, so for the past few years we only see each other every summer, winter and spring break, plus a couple of trips me out there, and a couple of trips her out here. many poeple claim to know a thing or two about long distance, and have tons of advice and such, but i tell them one thing whenever they try to lecture me - you make it work. and we have. my parents have always asked me how we make it work, and i never have a good answer for them. suffice to say, i have never herd of a couple with a relationship like ours. not that its better or anything, just that it is so far totally unique in my experience. we have acutally never had any kind of trouble with it. however, we both want to stay in this area, and so far that is working. we both have internships with companies here, and we are going springboard our careers here, the market for our degrees are both vast here, and thats the long term plan. as long as the economy holds out and maybe gets better in the next year, we both should be starting our careers this time next year. exciting times in my life.

then again my brother whenever were drunk together without our women (he got married at 21, without a career or degree. hes 4 years older than me.) always says "dude ... **** more than one women!"

i just laugh. hes already trying to re-live his college years though me all the time anyway ...

[Cyrus-the-virus]

That was stupid. The writer act's like girls are mentaly retarded.

[big jim]

Originally Posted by Cyrus-the-virus

That was stupid. The writer act's like girls are mentaly retarded.

Boy did that comment come from totally out of left field! What's he talking about?

Cocker Punk;
I think somewhere we got kind of turned around. Steve started this by stating that we should not allow parents to home school or send their children to private schools. His post indicated that by doing so the parents brainwashed the children with bad information. Your post started by saying you completely agreed with Steve. David and I responded that we believe that it is the parent's right, and I believe duty, to teach our children the values we hold to be true. As David pointed out there are times, like the hot stove, that it is simply a case of do this because I said so. However for the most part I would agree with you that a person chooses their own values. The difference is that even if the child chooses which values they find important, I don't trust their judgment implicitly when they are juveniles so I believe they need guidance in selecting the correct values. American society tends to agree with me.
Otherwise why do we not allow smoking, drinking, or driving by 10 year olds? It is because society has determined that they need more time to develop their judgment.

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by big jim

Boy did that comment come from totally out of left field! What's he talking about?

Cocker Punk;
I think somewhere we got kind of turned around. Steve started this by stating that we should not allow parents to home school or send their children to private schools. His post indicated that by doing so the parents brainwashed the children with bad information. Your post started by saying you completely agreed with Steve. David and I responded that we believe that it is the parent's right, and I believe duty, to teach our children the values we hold to be true. As David pointed out there are times, like the hot stove, that it is simply a case of do this because I said so. However for the most part I would agree with you that a person chooses their own values. The difference is that even if the child chooses which values they find important, I don't trust their judgment implicitly when they are juveniles so I believe they need guidance in selecting the correct values. American society tends to agree with me.
Otherwise why do we not allow smoking, drinking, or driving by 10 year olds? It is because society has determined that they need more time to develop their judgment.

my point is that homeschool first off, doesn't teach your kids jack as far as values. second, lowers the quality of your students education. and third, public school doesn't teach your kid values, and finally, homeschooling leaves your children totally unprepared for the world outside of there childhood support structure.

[b to the a to the k]

Everyone is this thread was either produced by:

a.) public education

b.) private education (including home-schooling).

This leads me to believe both are F'd and a viable alternative is desperately needed.