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[cockerpunk]

big jim -

this is what i would like to point out in your post -

"Is there room for a third possibility where we may give our children the room to think for themselves and yet present morals in a way that they can accept them on their own?"

YES YES YES YES YES!!! for christ sake yes!

again, the key is the why. the rule in and of itself is not as important as the why. so "teaching" your children morals needs to include the why, more than anything else. they need to internalize the why, and from there they can build there own set of morals.

thats the goal right? thats what we both want, right?

for the most part - i think we agree though. we are coming from different points, but we both agree for the most part. also, i would like to note that i pointed out a third option in response to david. and that is the accptence and understanding of the truths that i learned at a young age in public school. the tricky part, is getting them to land of there feet after they lack a support system to make those judgemnets. some do, some don't.

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by davidwirth

um you made a post on a public forum. That opens it up if you don't want people to respond (and from what i see, anything that posted about it that you don't like or agree with is showing disrespect) dont post. You have the right to post anything you want I can respond the way I see fit. If you don't like it, complain to a mod

i was simply asking for your understanding. i put something down that i find private, and i wanted your understanding that you wouldn't take what i said and do something you would prefer someone else not do with your information (if you posted it).

i understand that - yes, you could do whatever with that information. and i guess i live with the consequences of that. its not terrible, but it could be somewhat embarrassing.

however, the point was to appeal to that moral side of you to please not. thats all im saying. im just asking that you not be a dick. so, please don't be a dick.

[davidwirth]

wow, a math tutor, you must be using fuzzy math to come up with 100's of teachers in a 13 year period. Lets see elementary is basically 5 teachers (k-4), 5-8 probably start changing classes (again 5-6 classes) and teachers; 24 teachers. 9-12 (i will assume they get all new teachers every year average academic classes are 5-6, I will use the high end) 24 teachers. yep 24 + 24+ 5 = 100's can you teach me math?

The stories about the stove and outlet are in response to the statement to teach kids we have to explain why. My point is that a 4 year old is not going to understand V=IR or explain heat transfer to the kid. My teaching is don't touch it is hot, yet that doesn't explain the "why"

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by davidwirth

wow, a math tutor, you must be using fuzzy math to come up with 100's of teachers in a 13 year period. Lets see elementary is basically 5 teachers (k-4), 5-8 probably start changing classes (again 5-6 classes) and teachers; 24 teachers. 9-12 (i will assume they get all new teachers every year average academic classes are 5-6, I will use the high end) 24 teachers. yep 24 + 24+ 5 = 100's can you teach me math?

wow ...

besides this being a totally pointless argument ...

5 teachers k-4
24 teachers 5-8
24*3 teachers 9-12 (becuase of the trimester system)
5*2 teachers every year of college times 8 (assuming you graduate on time)
5*2 TA's, lab attendents, tutors, friends ... per semester of college (estimate, i say on the low side of things) times 8

for a total of (yes i used a calculator) - 261 teachers

but to think that you only have 261 poeple you learn from in your life is also a stupid idea.

[davidwirth]

Originally Posted by cockerpunk

i was simply asking for your understanding. i put something down that i find private, and i wanted your understanding that you wouldn't take what i said and do something you would prefer someone else not do with your information (if you posted it).

i understand that - yes, you could do whatever with that information. and i guess i live with the consequences of that. its not terrible, but it could be somewhat embarrassing.

however, the point was to appeal to that moral side of you to please not. thats all im saying. im just asking that you not be a dick. so, please don't be a dick.

besides from commenting on your posts, what exactly do you think i could do with the "information"? Tell your mom?

[davidwirth]

Originally Posted by cockerpunk

wow ...

besides this being a totally pointless argument ...

5 teachers k-4
24 teachers 5-8
24*3 teachers 9-12 (becuase of the trimester system)
5*2 teachers every year of college times 8 (assuming you graduate on time)
5*2 TA's, lab attendents, tutors, friends ... per semester of college (estimate, i say on the low side of things) times 8

for a total of (yes i used a calculator) - 261 teachers

but to think that you only have 261 poeple you learn from in your life is also a stupid idea.

no no no, (nice of you to change formula college was never mentioned in any of your posts except for a place for a cute christian girl to get raped at) we are talking about home schooling and private schools, not post secondary schools. I know every public school isn't the same but everyone I have run up against in the numerous places I have lived, your math teacher is your math teacher for the entire year, you may get a new math teacher say in 10th grade but the teacher that taught you algebra may also be your geometry teacher.

on the college note, TA's lab assistants WTF don't count they are worthless doing a mindless job that the real professor has pawned on to them because it is beneath him

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by davidwirth

no no no, (nice of you to change formula college was never mentioned in any of your posts except for a place for a cute christian girl to get raped at) we are talking about home schooling and private schools, not post secondary schools. I know every public school isn't the same but everyone I have run up against in the numerous places I have lived, your math teacher is your math teacher for the entire year, you may get a new math teacher say in 10th grade but the teacher that taught you algebra may also be your geometry teacher.

on the college note, TA's lab assistants WTF don't count they are worthless doing a mindless job that the real professor has pawned on to them because it is beneath him

right .... am i taking crazy pills? someone besides david answer that one please.

being still in public education (about the only colleges you can find around here with techincal degrees) and just a few years out of high school i think ill be trusting my experience with that system over what you tell me. i switched teachers in junior and senior high almost every trimester, however, depending on if your system is on semesters, trimesters or quarters, that number can clearly float around a bit.

also, to the whole TA and others business ... again, being a current college student, im gonna trust myself on that whole thing. i talk to professors, TAs and such all the time outside of class. and i never once said anything about rape either.

regardless of all of that ... how does 2 compare to over 50 (by your estimates). esp when the two parents are still part of the body teaching your child even in public school?

c'mon, if this is all your gonna hit me with, its rather pathetic. please, say something worth responding to.

besides from commenting on your posts, what exactly do you think i could do with the "information"? Tell your mom?

just asking that you dont be a dick with it. its seems even that is hard for you though ...

seriously, if you have nothing else to say, stop posting.

[davidwirth]

why don't you stop posting

sorry, I guess the cute christian girl was getting gang banged by the 2 communication majors was going down as a rape.

[cockerpunk]

Originally Posted by davidwirth

why don't you stop posting

sorry, I guess the cute christian girl was getting gang banged by the 2 communication majors was going down as a rape.

Originally Posted by myself

thats exactly the point tho. once shes outside of support system, when shes on her own to make her own dicistions - what will she do? i have seen many a whore/skank/slut/whatever grown of this exact phenomena. and for the record, none of those cases were rape. she (meaning the hypothetical girl in that antidote) gave it up willingly beucase she had no one around to tell her no, and she lacked the thinking skills to fully understand the consequences of her actions.

well im going to have to stop, its my spring break and the phrase from the movie "raising Arizona" keeps coming back to me -"so many social engagements, so little time."

please respond with a counterpoint, rather than trying to pick on my math skills and filling my mouth (err, keyboard?) with words.

[zulu]

Originally Posted by Christian Nelson

You know Zulu, it is a backward odd way of doing it, but the idea behind 3/5 was to keep the slave states from making their slaves vote to keep slavery. The north was already trying to abolish slavery even then. They wanted to take power away from the slave states, so they could eventually outlaw slavery. That was the stated reason for that rule. Because of that, the north was successfully able to enact laws against importing more africans for slavery, had the south been able to vote with the full power of all of their population (even though the slaves wouldn't really have had a choice in voting) this would have not passed. The compromise was that they had to treat the northern african americans the same way in order to get the south to go along with it. Originally, it was to be freemen were worth 1, slaves worth 3/5, but the south wouldn't go for that.. So, in a way, it was an awkward attempt to curb the slave trade that eventually worked out sort of.. It wasn't perfect, but what is? After the emancipation, all former slaves were able to vote, and the KKK started trying to keep them form voting. So on, and so forth... Complicated, and crazy, and if people would have just realized that people are people, regardless of the skin tone, this would not have had to be this way.

Lol. I was making a joke in reference to that post. I'm actually versed quite well in African/African American history. What the north meant for "good" the south took and ran with, so to speak. This particular discussion would go waaaaaaay off topic. Thanks for attempting to inform someone though.

cocker and david are funny though. It's like a bad Vaudeville act. Hehe.