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[NSGSplatmaster]

Eric - I agree with that sentiment, on how kids should stand up for themselves. Personally in highschool when I transferred I got a lot of crap from kids. I verbally and in one case physically defended myself after some kid came up to me arbitrarily and kicked me. In the end, he received no punishment initially, while I was immediately suspended from the school facing expulsion. I was then seen as a suspect for emotional instability (I'm not sure where that assumption came from, doesn't seem logcal to me) and was sent to talk to a guidance counseler, who then told me it is the obligation of people who are threatened by OTHER people to "take it" passively. That is the general opinion held up here, from what I can discern, based on other local stories and school policies along with having family involved in teaching.


But back on topic. I have paintball equipment in the trunk of my car but refuse to bring it inside the dorms. I tried to start a paintball club at the school (university) and obviously faced immediate concerns about security, and the administration immediately came to the conclusion that kids were going to get these guns and start running around campus firing at things, hurting people and damaging property. As far as my school goes if I said I needed school funds to start the "I Wish I Lived in Botswana Club", it would be fine, but anything gun related is strictly forbidden. Hell, I was talking about paintball at the cafeteria and some kid I wasn't even talking to comes over and tells me how guns should be banned, etc etc etc. I guess it depends on the school and the area, but overall I can understand the nervousness these days given all the recent school shootings. I wish we knew the context of how the gripframe was seen, because if all you saw was the gripframe sticking out of a pocket then it could be confused for a gun. What I don't get though is why the kid was still arrested after the police found out it was not a gun after all.

[WilD]

I hope he sues the school district and city for wrongful arrest, harrasment and any other thing his lawyer can think of and wins big. I find it highly irronic that incompotent fools make a scene and then charge their victim with disorderly conduct.

Sure, it wasn't smart to take anything to school with idiot nazis running around all over the place theses days, but the he is just an innocent kid. The only people who have done wrong here are the school officials and the police. Words can not convey my disgust regarding the behaviour of these so called "officials".

[Harbinger[TG]]

i got threatened with expulsion for bringing an empty 20 oz to school back in 89

[blackrain]

Now I'm sure there are a few school teachers on this forum. I'm sure school policies across the US are donot bring guns or anything resembling them, ie fake copies, magazines, paintball or other items resembling anything that can represent violence into a school.

So you can thank those liberal bleeding hearts that took out punishments in schools thru the use of paddles and took the parents rights to discipline their kids away. You've now bought this on yourself. You've produced your future.

Now if you are stupid enough to take anything resembeling a gun,bomb, grenade or whatever to school, freely knowing it against the rules, then your DUMB *** and your parents deserve evey bit of personal and financial hardship that is is bought on you and them. You deserve that "LOOK I"M A DUMB *** FELON" tag on you for the rest of your life.

It's bad enough that if a teacher is physically attacked by a student that if they defend themselves and punches out the student, He/She would be in alot of trouble.

"Gee go figure he was coming at me with a knife I didn't have the chance to get to an intercom or phone to dial 911".

"No your honor the thought of borrowing a students phone didn't occur to me as I was being stabbed and trying to subdue the student with a chair"

So basically these rules are set for protection of students and teachers.

So if your some bleeding heart that thinks what the school did was wrong, then I hope you don't have kids anytime soon. However if your a glutton for punishment, let your own kids go to school with paintball guns or airsoft replicas. Or just gun parts hanging out of the back pack.

Speaking of that, how many of you actually think that he wasn't smart enough to know that he had the grip hanging out of his pack.

My vote is he just did it to impress people and show how stupid he really is.
I think poor little BOY just needed some attention from Mommy and Daddy and this is how he was going to get it.

The days of "I'm a minor" are going away in the criminal system. I'd advise that you have long talks with your kids.
Later,
Blackrain

[Rap4paintball]

In high school I brought several markers into metal shop. One was styled like an M-4. Teacher knew I was smart about it, and would make my parts and take em home. The vice princable walked in one day and said he liked the one gun I was working on. It all depends on what school your at and if the teachers/students know you are a paintball nut. But another kid brought an airsoft gun to school and was shooting kids with it, DURING CLASS, needless to say he was expelled. Be smart, if your going to bring something may it be for a project, or you just forgot about it, tell someone. If the princable would have known he had this, he probly would have been told to pick it up at then end of the day and to never do it again.

[Harbinger[TG]]

This also goes to show that if you are being an asshat anything will be used against you

[davidwirth]

Originally Posted by Rap4paintball

In high school I brought several markers into metal shop. One was styled like an M-4. Teacher knew I was smart about it, and would make my parts and take em home. The vice princable walked in one day and said he liked the one gun I was working on. It all depends on what school your at and if the teachers/students know you are a paintball nut. But another kid brought an airsoft gun to school and was shooting kids with it, DURING CLASS, needless to say he was expelled. Be smart, if your going to bring something may it be for a project, or you just forgot about it, tell someone. If the princable would have known he had this, he probly would have been told to pick it up at then end of the day and to never do it again.

Doubt it! 0 tolerance rules takes fundamental judgement away. Didn't you see on the news (6 years ago) where the middle schooler opened up her lunch and found a can of bud? The mother had packed the lunch and turns out that she reached in and thought she had grabbed a coke (both cans red).
Kid immediately takes it to the teacher unopened. Kid expelled parents fight and loose. School said that because of the zero tolerance, they had to expell and the courts upheld it.

[davidwirth]

Originally Posted by Al_Steel

Things I brought to high school circa mid 1980s

Civil War sword (History class)
Flail (History class)
.22 Rifle (leather working project - sling)
12 Gauge Shotgun (leather working project - sling)
4+ inch hunting knife (for a shop leather working project in MIDDLE school)
Recurve bow with practice arrows (gym class - believe it or not!)



-Cheers!

Things I took to school for spanish class (had to do dialogues so me and my partner would always do skits with full props)

8 foot long 4" diameter potato gun
Electric drill with 12" drill bit
gas powered chain saw (we did leave the chain at home though)
and numerous other things that would have me classified as a felon.

yet I did get into trouble for starting the "cinnimon challenge" as a senior

Again mid 80's graduated '88'

80's were the best! Cool music, loved the 80's hair and the spandex on the women at Balley's

[Walking_Target]

well, i think that we wouldn't see nearly so many violent incidences if parents actually looked after their kids and gave them the propper dose of vitamin "Foot to a**" once in a while.

but then again, parents these days want to pass the responsability on to others, namely the teachers and the police; and everyone knows that if a teacher or cop puts foot to anus on little johnny, little johnny's mom and dad will be suing either the school or the PD for assault and battery.

And zero tollerance in schools is rather silly too: the year i left they introduced "absolute zero tollerance" along with a new principal. That was the year that half the wrestling team wound up on one week suspensions, because this new principal caught a bunch of them demonstating arm lock techniques in the hall, just before a competition.

yeah, zero tollerance needs a bit of temperence with common sense...

[davidwirth]

Originally Posted by Walking_Target

yeah, zero tollerance needs a bit of temperence with common sense...

The Problem is Zero Tolerance. It makes the rule an absolute. When a law is an absolute, there can be no justice. Down here, a principal was fired and arrested for bringing a handgun to school. I am sure, that once you read that everyone goes good. Well, as P.H. used say "here is the rest of the story." He went on Sat. to the shooting range for some target practice. Handguns have to be unloaded and secured while in transportation which means it was locked in the trunk of his car unloaded. On the way home, it started pouring down rain, thunder, lightning ect., so when he arrived at home, he left in the trunk until is stopped raining. Of course, he forgot about it come Sunday. Monday he goes to work and talk about unlucky, they were doing a spot inspection of cars in the parking lot and one of the sniffer dogs indictated that something was in the trunk. Zero Tolerance says he has to be fired and procecuted. This is why laws can not be absolute, when society wants laws to be absolute, they are crying for a toltalrian (sp) regime.