General

[baader]

Even if he had dropped it, I dislike the idea of a reg failing when hitting the ground.
I´m leaning more on the manufacturer fault here.
That said, I´m not really buying the whole "the tank flew on the wall and the reg to the other" thing.
With a small hole in the reg it shouldn´t went the air much more violently than a burstdisk or a fill nipple failure.

I´m goind to play in an old soviet military base next weekend and I´m sure that my gear is getting some punisment there, I don´t want to think that if I slide on concrete my airtank is going to separate.

[WGPKlaus]

I'm still puzzled by the lack of damage to the threads on the top half of the regulator, if it in fact "blew off". They appear to be in very decent shape considering the account?

[Schmitti]

no, that would be the torque, were you to set a 1 pound object on the end of the fill nipple. With a hammer, it has a certain amount of energy from the swing (someone setting a hammer on your head vs. tapping your head with the same hammer). Becomes much more interesting with a moving hammer because 1. you gemerally don't know what speed the hammer is doing at impact and 2. the fill nipple will deflect, effectively decreasing the torque which you thought would be applied. There's a reason that you pull slowly on torque wrenches.

A more accurate jimmy method of doing it would be to put an allen key down the barrel of the fill nipple and use a correctly sized weight on the end of your new moment arm. Then you could use the formula Schmitti specified.

angrysasquatch... thanks for the peer review

Yup... torque is just the force x distance (x= cross ... not times) which describes the force applied to a moment arm... not force times distance which equals energy.... equating a turning force to a impact force... not the same.

I was probably once again trying to do too many things at the same time.

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[BlindeSeher]

Originally Posted by Party of A-5

Who needs teddy bears, I sleep with my markers.
And if the girlfriend doesn't like to share, well then I find a new one.

A new girlfriend or a new marker?

[BrokenArrow]

Call me stupid if this sound stupid but that reg looks like a 3k on a 4.5k tank... all i have to say is go figs. it blew up a ,3k threaded regulator aint ment to be on a 4.5k tank. But since i cant see the gauge itself im just assuming by the small gauge it is that it is 3k.

[angrysasquatch]

Originally Posted by BrokenArrow

Call me stupid if this sound stupid but that reg looks like a 3k on a 4.5k tank... all i have to say is go figs. it blew up a ,3k threaded regulator aint ment to be on a 4.5k tank. But since i cant see the gauge itself im just assuming by the small gauge it is that it is 3k.

If that were the case, the burst disc would have gone. Anyhow, it's perfectly safe to put a 3k reg on a 4.5k tank, so long as it is filled to 3k.

[daniam]

Originally Posted by PhileyOFish

It must have been the smart parts nipple cover.

good catch, that was obviously the cause of the malfunction.

[P4p3Rc1iP]

Update:

Ok uit onderzoek van de fabrikant is gebleken dat er een deukje in de de reg zelf zat. Volgens de onderzoekers is de fles voor 99% zeker gevallen en is dit door een val veroorzaakt.

Waar dit gebeurd is is onbekend. (kan overal zijn gebeurd, fabrikant, post,leverancier, eigenaar)

Wel wil ik hier bij zeggen dat dit mij eigenlijk best veel zorgen baard, aangezien je als je dus pech hebt gewoon een bom krijgt. Aangezien je dus nooit weet of er voorzichtig mee om is gegaan waar dan ook.
En over hoe er in het veld mee omgegaan wordt zullen maar helemaal niet over lullen.

Ik hoop het iig niet meer mee te maken en dat iedereen weet wat er kan gebeuren. Voorzichtig dus met die ****!!

Quick translation:

"Ok, from an investigation by the manufactured it has turned out there was a dent in the reg itself. According to the investigators, it was 99% sure this was due to a fall.

Where this has happened is unknown. (Could have been anywhere, factory, mail, supplier, owner.)

I do want to add though, that this result worries me quite a lot, because if you're unlucky, you might receive a bomb, since you can't tell if it's been handled carefully or not, where ever the reg has been.
Not to speak of how they're handled during play...

I certainly hope I won't ever see this happening again, and that everybody knows what might happen. So be careful with this ****!"


Like the guy said, I too am worried that a reg can just fail after a fall. Seeing how some mail services handle the packages, and if you see how these things are handled on the field, you'd say it's a surprise this stuff hasn't happened much before...

[NotBrian]

So ship tanks with dedicated Pelican-style hard cases. Force regs designs to fail safer. Change fill procedures to fill slower and place tanks in a safe container while filling.

I'm still way more worried about losing an eye due to someone's negligence in the staging area than being injured from a fill accident. This Saturday I saw someone shoot through a barrel condom!

[FiXeL]

Originally Posted by baader

I´m goind to play in an old soviet military base next weekend and I´m sure that my gear is getting some punisment there, I don´t want to think that if I slide on concrete my airtank is going to separate.

Lemme guess... Mahlwinkel. Paperclip and myself will be there too.