General

[punkncat]

I see way too much wrong with this supposed account.

Now assuming that "nothing" was done to the reg to cause this like a hard dive or something....where is the damage to the threads on the part of the reg we can see?
Unfortunately I cannot see the threads inside the top of the tank well enough to be able to tell if they are actually still there. I can say lending creedence to the account is the drywall visible in the bonnet and the scuff of apparent drywall or paint visible on the top of the tank.

If this truly was a failure due to materials, workmanship, or as its trying to be explained some simple handling accident, perhaps the idea of having a 4.5K PSI reg manufactured from aluminum should be completly reconsidered?
I know that I just purchased a Myth reg made of all aluminum. The though that the reg and bottle could blow apart scares the hell out of me. Even with the roughest duty, like a hard slide or fall landing on the tank this stuff should be manufactured and tested to withstand much more than that.

...oh and I do know this was a different make of reg, but still the same material.

One of these things were to let go next to your face, or on your shoulder in a game and someone is going to get killed.

(looks warily at my 4500PSI air bomb)

[Ya Dig]

Originally Posted by Steelrat

Am I the only one who sees a parallel between the number of stako tanks there and the number of failure reports?

Also, some of those stako failures weren't reg failures. There was one failure where the actual threading inside the tank blew out. That's not supposed to happen.

the problem is that you are coming to the conclusion that it is the tank that is causing the problem.

it could simply be that there are so many stako tanks in use in europe that there is a much higher chance that a stako tank is involved in the accident.

it would be like if 90% of americans drove fords, there would be alot of fords involved in accidents. that doesn't necessarily mean fords are unsafe, it just means there are a lot of fords on the road.

[psiguru]

The regulator was returned with the cylinder to the (OEM) manufacturer for review. The results were conclusive that the regulator separted from the bottle due to an EXCESSIVE FORCE which snapped the regulator off the cylinder. The regulator DID NOT blow off the cylinder in the manner described. The regulator is one of the safest, most dependable regulator's manufactured in paintball.

Safety mechanisms designed in the regulator prevents the cylinder from launching as described.

The manufacturer of the regulator has manufactured regulators for the the past 10 years and is one of the largest regulator manufacturers in paintball.

There has never been a failure ,as descibed , dating back to the first regulator produced by the manufacturer.

Thank you

[P4p3Rc1iP]

Sorry, and you are? Not trying to be an ***, but unless you're the manufacturer, how exactly can you claim all these things? And even if you are, I'm not sure whether I should believe all you say...

[RealtorTommy]

I don't know the details of how it happened...could the mark (concrete hit) happen after the reg and tank parted ways?

or

This is the cause of it..............


Wish we had eye witness accounts..........

[dempsey626]

P4p3Rc1iP:

PSIGuru is the manufacturer of the regulator. In fact he has one of my bottles that is being repaired for much the same type of problem.

In my case, I contacted Draxxus for information on removing the regulator from a brand new Draxxus HP tank for a customer to fly to the Phoenix PSP. Draxxus told me removal of the valve is no big deal, just unscrew it and go. Upon trying to remove the regulator, I felt it start to fracture inside the bottle. I stopped, called Draxxus and they informed me that they DO NOT service the regulator or bottles at all. I needed to send it to PSIGuru.

Upon contacting PSIGuru, I was infromed that they(PSIGuru) install the regulators with a thread locking compound per Draxxus' request. My regulator fractured because I was mis-informed by Draxxus on the proper procedure for the removal of the regulator.

Since I did not use the proper method of removal, I am pretty much out a bottle and regulator at this point. If the remnants of the regulator "stem" can be removed from cylinder without too much damage to the threads inside the cylinder, the still unused cylinder will have to be hydrotested again to insure safety, and I will have to purchase a new DXS regulator to be installed at the factory. It sucks, but at least now I know that the Draxxus regulator are thread locked in from the MANUFACTURER not the Draxxus DISTRIBUTOR.

I would believe that the original problem regulator in this thread was damaged:
A: Upon removal from the original bottle
or
B:Upon removal from the original bottle and completely failed when it was installed or removed AGAIN from the Stako cylinder.
or
C: Regulator was purchased separate from a cylinder and fractured upon improper removal from Stako cylinder.

But what do I know, it only happened to me once....

Dan

P.S. I believe that PSIGuru has done a FANTASTIC job of not blowing up any of us over all these years !!!!! You should believe the information PSIGuru had provided to us here on MCB. You have have most likely already trusted you health and safety to PSIGuru. If you have played or played around anyone using compressed air, chance are you already used or played next to the regulator they made.

[FiXeL]

For what it's worth.. I've been a moderator on one of the dutch forums and know that guy well enough that i believe his account of this story, that it was sitting there and the reg spontaniously exploded off the bottle. Also i'm pretty sure that this regulator was purchased separatly for the stako, since this bottle comes standard without any reg. Removing a reg from a existing bottle, that was locktited in seems very unlikely to me. It's possible it was indeed a used reg, but i find it inlogical to buy a new tank only, when the shop also sells new guerilla air and DXS regs. There arent much regs available on the used market over here.

The only reason i can think of is that the reg was overtorqued during installation, and that it has seen some abuse during play or taking a fall off a table, maybe causing a small fracture in the stem at eventually broke off due to the tank pressure.

[Painthappy]

I just got this email from John Ripkey, and will post it:

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We have the regulator and bottle at our location. The regulator was sold
separately.

PSI has been manufacturing regulators for over 10 years for most major
wholesalers in paintball. PSI manufacturers to ASTM and ANSI standards.
Every regulator manufactured is tested prior to shipment.

The regulator stem was damaged from some unknown force which fractured or
weakened the regulator stem.

The failure was not due to workmanship or metallurgical defects. The story
as conveyed alludes to a manufacturing defect.

This simply is not true.

This is an unfortunate occurrence and we are happy no one was injured.



Sincerely,



John R Ripkey
President

Phone Numbers Removed by Carter
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[Harbinger[TG]]

Yeah, I talked to Ronan last week about this and he reiterated all of the testing and quality control things. Still scary **** though.

[dempsey626]

Here is my regulator that was returned to me from PSIGuru.

I sure think that mine sure looks similar to the original post...........

Dan