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[heinous]

Originally Posted by Ripperdoc

I'm just saying it's good my son wasn't involved

you've been his age before. you should know you shouldn't be so sure.

[Conqueror]

Sigh, so much misinformation is out there on this subject.

I'm a PBN mod, I have access to the evidence archive and most of the other stuff in question.

1) I have looked at all 40-some pages of the thread in question. Like Ed said, at no point was there any actual pornography in the thread. The pictures available were no worse than the pictures in Maxim or FHM magazine, which are not age-restricted publications and may be freely sold to minors in bookstores. Scantily-clad women are not pornography.

2) The problem basically was that a user would post a picture of a scantily-clad woman, and then follow it with a comment like "I have better pics too, PM me for them." The user did not post porn, but it is probably safe to assume that he sent nude photos to anyone who PMed him.

3) ANY message board is susceptible to that. Hell, I could PM any MCB user right now and ask for nude photos, and he could send them to me if he wished. Would that be painthappy's or MCB's legal responsibility? No. It would be my fault, and the other user's fault if he actually sent me inappropriate images.

4) A few of you have posted stuff like "they better not hide behind 'we are not responsible for user-submitted content.'" That's an asinine thing to say. It's not a dodge, it's the law. Courts have ruled on multiple occasions that message boards are not responsible for user posts. Otherwise I could suddenly post beastiality on MCB and the admins would go to prison along with me, which obviously would not be fair.

6) Admins on vB systems can access a user's PMs in a roundabout way. However, it is not clear whether or not PBN admins actually looked in the users' PMs. It does not say this expressly in any release by Ed or anyone else. What it does say is that the admins "assumed the worst". It has not been confirmed, nor would it really be possible to confirm based on public info, what type of material was sent, or how old the people were who were pictured or who were trading it. So any claims of "underage porn" or "underage porn trafficking" are 100% speculative.

68caliber and TB have no proof that any crime has been committed, nor have they claimed to. That, in my opinion, makes them gossip mongers and nothing more. They will be up in arms about this for another week or two until they realize that no one gives a **** any more, and they will move on.

68caliber's mention of the Sex Guide is particularly opportunistic - it's been there since 2006 and they've never found reason to question it previously.

CQ

[thundertb]

I am not a gossip monger, and you are wrong in your assumption that this will be forgotten.

Also while you may say that you are a mod, I have been told you havent been an actual working mod for some time.

But if you really want me to believe all this, then Ed should put it all out there.

However with the alcohol threads, pm's about porn links, gambling and drug use there needs to be some major modding.

I found one thread that had no less then 30 posts about 'raping' their dates from which ruffies to use to whether they should get her drunk.

Just because people post it doesnt give the mods free reign not to do something. And most of the time they don't, in this instance they were actually particpating.

Are you the same mod who wrote the Sex guide? If so why would that need to be on a paintball forum for anyone under the age of 18 to read. And what makes you the expert on said sex guide?

[Raion]

I was like who cares because the only person who should care is ed. Do you care that some people were exchanging pictures? It is really that big of a deal to you ?

I understand why it is to Ed, legal concern for one but this seems like a pb gossip story.

[thundertb]

It is that big a deal because first and foremost PBNation was made for that. He has crowed and crowed about it is a paintball community and well that would denote that we all have some say in how it should be handled.

But while you may not see anything wrong with it, others do. I happen to be one of those others. I happen to have issues with people creating drama and then profiting off of it. You know like you are accusing me of, however there are no ads on my site. And I pay my own bills.

And I am sure to some of you, it is just that. See justification is what you need to make it ok and afflable. It is why it has been going on for so long and probably will until the LE community shuts it down.

[Conqueror]

Originally Posted by thundertb

1) Also while you may say that you are a mod, I have been told you havent been an actual working mod for some time.

2) I found one thread that had no less then 30 posts about 'raping' their dates from which ruffies to use to whether they should get her drunk.

3) Are you the same mod who wrote the Sex guide? If so why would that need to be on a paintball forum for anyone under the age of 18 to read. And what makes you the expert on said sex guide?

1) Then you have been told wrong. I close, delete, infract, and ban on a daily basis. I am certainly more active in some of my sections than others, but I still visit even my least-active areas. You should evaluate your source - since only staff can see where posts have been deleted or otherwise moderated, if your source is not PBN staff, then he/she knows precisely squat about how active or inactive a given staff member is.

2) Distasteful though it may be, talking about date rape - or even espousing it - is not illegal. PBN staff may delete such posts/threads as they see fit, but are under no legal obligation to do so. My bet, though, is that every such post was said in jest, like the episode of Family Guy where a character orders his date a "roofie colada."

3) Yes, I wrote the sex guide. It is in small talk which is hardly a "paintball" forum, any more than this thread should be deleted from MCB because it's not paintball-related. The guide was not unsolicited - previously, there were roughly 15-25 threads a week asking about sexual issues. The hundreds of posts that 68caliber was lamenting are the natural result of consolidating dozens of threads' worth of sexual questions into one central thread. Though I feel no strong obligation to justify the thread to a guy who seems out to prove that I am some form of evildoer, I believe strongly that if someone is mature enough to ask the question, they deserve an answer. The thread is no more outrageous than any of the sex-advice articles in the previously-mentioned Maxim and FHM magazines, which can be sold to minors.

You say you are not a gossip monger, yet you do not contest my statement that you have no concrete proof of any wrongdoing by PBN or its administrators, so what are you?

[thundertb]

LOL.....sure thing. For someone in his 20's I guess it is quite good that you are indeed so knowledgable in the ways of sex.

So you can't post information about charities or such, but teaching a 14 year old how to engage in foreplay is ok. Again, guess i just see thing differently then you do.

And while you may say it is ok and justify it, I guess the true litmus test will be the lawsuits or law enforcement investigation.

Nice to know PBNation mods are so 'knowledgeable' about so many subjects other then paintball.

[Party]

Originally Posted by thundertb

ex.
So you can't post information about charities or such, but teaching a 14 year old how to engage in foreplay is ok.

QFT

[shadawg]

Conqueror, shouldn't you be over at pbn deleting post with the other mods?
Thats seems to be all you guys do anymore.
Silence the dissenters!

[Conqueror]

Originally Posted by thundertb

LOL.....sure thing. For someone in his 20's I guess it is quite good that you are indeed so knowledgable in the ways of sex.

So you can't post information about charities or such, but teaching a 14 year old how to engage in foreplay is ok. Again, guess i just see thing differently then you do.

And while you may say it is ok and justify it, I guess the true litmus test will be the lawsuits or law enforcement investigation.

Nice to know PBNation mods are so 'knowledgeable' about so many subjects other then paintball.

lol, if the best response you can manage is to make wisecracks about my knowledge of sex, then I feel pretty secure in my evaluation of you. Your last sentence is particularly amusing - as if people who run paintball websites can't also know about other topics - be it sex, electronics, guns, whatever.

If the lawsuits or investigations come, we will cross that bridge. For now though, I am comfortable calling your blog what it is: internet gossip.