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[LudavicoSoldier]

Originally Posted by paint magnet

IIRC, wasn't her death due to an allergic reaction to the pepper agent rather than the impact? I mean, technically pepper spray could have killed her as well.

Right, that was part of it. The impact of the bismuth weighted projectile also crushed her eye and caused internal bleeding. In my opinion, this is not a weapon that should be deployed to civil police departments. Go use a Tippmann Prolite with pepper balls. :P

I was at the other end of Lansdowne street the night this happened. Scary scary stuff.

[Thotograph]

NMIB... no markers in baghdad lol not anymore. Is the fill wipable? I think not. You think SP could find a reason to sue the manufacturer? Any idea who makes it?

[drg]

Okay, I must take issue with the horrible journalism in that Gizmodo link. These are not intended for "insurgents" ...

[stevedavidson]

It was designed by AGD, Pro-Team Products and a few other engineer types.

The project was ultimately taken over by Fabrique Nationale - the Belgian gun manufacturer and is now called the FN303.

It was originally designated the UTPBS for "Under the barrel Tactical Paintball System".

In my HUMBLE (cough cough cough) opinion, the ORIGINAL design was far superior to this, ummmm, 'version'.

Pro-Team developed the original round that composition that could be shot, with decent accuracy, out to 100 meters (the initial design requirement). (f we had that range now, no one would be playing on air bunker fields...)

They also built the original working prototype, still in their possession. I believe I posted images of the manual and gun here, in another thread, well over a year ago.

It might also be on AO...

[Dave Cameron]

What happened to that girl in Boston was tragic.

Honestly, that wasn't really a proper use of this weapon. Even pepperballs from a prolite would have been improper, and could have had the same result. Any projectile-firing device has the ability to injure or even kill if it hits the right spot. Just because it's paintball-based technology, and paintball is a game, does not make it safe.

The FN303 is a less-lethal weapon - it's generally less-lethal than a firearm. Using it could still be classified as using deadly force, which can be defined as "force likely to cause serious bodily injury or death". Police are generally authorized to use deadly force to prevent serious injury or death.

Proper use of this weapon would be using it to incapacitate an armed/dangerous individual in the midst of a crowd that police could not otherwise reach, rather than general crowd control/dispersal. The chance of accidental injury to bystanders due to misses or overpenetration by traditional firearms would be minimized, but they still would be present.

I think that this device, with it's 15-round magazine, is more likely to be used properly, as described above, than a pepperball firing prolite with a 200 round hopper. The "less lethal" classification, coupled with the "it's just a paintball gun" mentality and the huge ammo supply almost guarantee that the prolite will be overused.

You know how people get with those semiautomatic paintball guns...

[idkfa]

Originally Posted by Dave Cameron

You know how people get with those semiautomatic paintball guns...

So what you are saying is that riot police should use stock class guns?

[Dave Cameron]

Everybody should use stock class guns!

[esparzar]

I want one, but I don't know if I feel like spending $1100 bucks for it. Maybe if I won the lottery.

[Shadowace]

Talked to a Marine Captain who just got back from his 3rd tour in Iraq. He said they have been using paintball guns for several years now, mostly to disperse dogs when approaching a potentially hostile situation. He said it was more humane than shooting them and alot quieter. That pic shows what looks like a co2 bottle, the Marine I talked to said they were using a marker with a compressed air bottle on it.

[blackrain]

I think of the Destroyer when I look at this. Anyone remember that money maker that never happened lol. Yea I'm more then positive this can kill a person. When your in a combat zone FPS is not the issue when your life is on the line.
Later,
Blackrain