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[Painthappy]

Well...

I think the NEXT step would be to take a white cotton shirt, and mark it with "said" paintballs to find a correlation.

Paintball X has a lot of "oil-like" substance... we have marked the left side of the shirt.

Paintball Y has no or little "oil-like" substance... We have marked the right side of the shirt...

Let sit for 24 hours. Wash. Which one came out the best?

Now THAT will give you what you want on both ends. Hmmm... I forsee a project for me this weekend.

[Traakon]

Roland

Perhaps you could clairify exactly what your point is in this crusade. Are you against deception in makers saying their paint is PEG and it is not? Are you against oil fill on whole?

[shives]

Even if the oil, or whatever else, in paintballs won't disolve in water, paintballs can claim to be water soluble. To dissolve is defined as "to separate into component parts". Given enough time and water, a paintball will cease to be a paintball and just be parts. The individual parts don't have to dissolve, just the paintball. They are not lying, we are just not reading their terms correctly.

Look at water. While it is "non-toxic", you can die of water poisoning.


I do have clothes and gear stained from paintballs. I won't say that some don't stain. I'm just pointing out that this experiment doesn't neccessarily prove anything.

Shives

[Walking_Target]

you know why some paints use oil? it's an emulsifier.

PEG doesn't usually like to mix with the was used as a opaque thickening agent.

That's why some paint manufactures have moved on to other formulations, Titanium Dioxide provides a 'brilliant white' that shows up well, but nothing works so well as crayon (Paraffin) wax for providing high-visibility marking.

that paint that is nice and thick and marks well, is probably emulsified by mineral or other oil. The oil keeps the wax frome separating from the PEG. Remember, we need inert fluids in paintballs, because putting water in a gelatin shell... is kinda dumb.


The real culprit for your staining is probably the wax or the dye, not the oil. I had a shirt with such a stain on it from some Polar Ice.

two ways to get rid of the stain are to either wash it a few times, which removes the stain quite well, or to use a Tide pen thingy, which does it in one wash.

Again, adding oil to paint is not evil, it's just getting the fill right so players don't complain about runny, useless fill.

[BLC_Misfire]

For those of us that play on National Forest land, it is really important to know which paintballs will wash away the fastest. We'd rather not leave lasting marks, otherwise we could lose the privilege of playing out there. Here in Colorado, that really is the only place to play decent woodsball.

[drg]

Originally Posted by BLC_Misfire

For those of us that play on National Forest land, it is really important to know which paintballs will wash away the fastest. We'd rather not leave lasting marks, otherwise we could lose the privilege of playing out there. Here in Colorado, that really is the only place to play decent woodsball.

I have yet to see *any* paint that does not permanently mark trees over time. I think the porous surface just does not naturally wash completely clean. Not to mention the damage to the tree bark from the impact itself.

[russc]

Shives,
You have to understand how problematic oily paintballs can be. I live in Vancouver and work at a very busy paintball field. Three years ago, our bunkers would wash relatively clean in the rain. In the summer, even the baked on paint was relatively thin and would dry out in the sun. The paintball formula we were using changed, and suddenly we have oily paintball goo up to half an inch thick hanging from our bunkers. It doesn't dry even while baking in the sun, and the rain doesn't make a stitch of difference. That's not even the worst of it! This impervious crap that became stuck everywhere after last summer's batch of Nelson grows black mold!

Whether or not oily paint comes out in a washing machine with detergent is completely irrelevant - we simply can't bring enough soap to wash an entire field.

[tagroland]

Wow. I am amazed at this response!! Almost as revealing as when I personally discovered it myself.

Agenda: Truth
Fiscal Cost to me: A lot
Peace of mind: Priceless

History of me:
Been doing paintball since 1986; back then some was oil based paint.
Manufacturers later change to 'water soluble dye'.

I became the Callifornia Exclusive California Distributor for the Entire Line of Paintballs by this manufacturer.

I was told that all their paint was water soluble, so I sold it.

Later, I discover that this was a lie; I also discovered some other manufacturers have also been going back (unannounced, of course) to oil based dye formulas.

I did more research, wrote a 12 page, 4 series article for Paintball News, and then did the video you see.

I gave back the exclusive distributorship, voluntarily down-graded myself to a dealer level again, went with another manufacturer.
(BTW...So far, no comment has been heard from my previous manufacturer).

I am now ordering a higher grade product...this decision cost me thousands (in yearly volume). For the first time in 23 years, we are going to FPO at $40 a case. This is not about money...I just don't want my land contaminated.

As far as the water levels, please forgive me.
The camera guy moved the last two cups around.
REASON: Oil content in descending order sort of thing.


Blessings,
R

ps I didn't get paid ANY compensation for the article, I did it for free.

[drg]

Originally Posted by tagroland

Wow. I am amazed at this response!! Almost as revealing as when I personally discovered it myself.

Agenda: Truth
Fiscal Cost to me: A lot
Peace of mind: Priceless

History of me:
Been doing paintball since 1986; back then some was oil based paint.
Manufacturers later change to 'water soluble dye'.

I became the Callifornia Exclusive California Distributor for the Entire Line of Paintballs by this manufacturer.

I was told that all their paint was water soluble, so I sold it.

Later, I discover that this was a lie; I also discovered some other manufacturers have also been going back (unannounced, of course) to oil based dye formulas.

I did more research, wrote a 12 page, 4 series article for Paintball News, and then did the video you see.

I gave back the exclusive distributorship, voluntarily down-graded myself to a dealer level again, went with another manufacturer.
(BTW...So far, no comment has been heard from my previous manufacturer).

I am now ordering a higher grade product...this decision cost me thousands (in yearly volume). For the first time in 23 years, we are going to FPO at $40 a case. This is not about money...I just don't want my land contaminated.

As far as the water levels, please forgive me.
The camera guy moved the last two cups around.
REASON: Oil content in descending order sort of thing.

Blessings,
R

ps I didn't get paid ANY compensation for the article, I did it for free.

I'm sorry but this addresses NONE of the questions raised about the information you present. Money, which you seem so concerned about, is one thing conspicuously NOT being discussed by anyone except you.

[tagroland]

Originally Posted by russc

Shives,
You have to understand how problematic oily paintballs can be. I live in Vancouver and work at a very busy paintball field. Three years ago, our bunkers would wash relatively clean in the rain. In the summer, even the baked on paint was relatively thin and would dry out in the sun. The paintball formula we were using changed, and suddenly we have oily paintball goo up to half an inch thick hanging from our bunkers. It doesn't dry even while baking in the sun, and the rain doesn't make a stitch of difference. That's not even the worst of it! This impervious crap that became stuck everywhere after last summer's batch of Nelson grows black mold!

Whether or not oily paint comes out in a washing machine with detergent is completely irrelevant - we simply can't bring enough soap to wash an entire field.

Where were you when I wrote the article?
I would have gladly interviewed you!!!
I am now sure, more information will come to light.

R