Why they tell you not to chamber a round until its time to fire. - Page 2

Al Ray · 10-27-2006, 03:18 PM

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I was taught in hunters safety to have round chambered, safety on and always have the weapon in hand pointed in a safe direction. As a matter of fact I seem to remember our instructors MADE us take the slings off our rifles before our trip.

Then your instuctors taught you wrong, as I can almost guarentie you that no lititure will tell you to have a round chambered for the purpose of hunting (Concealed carry is a whole different story and typ of gun)

No round chambered +sling breaking+pulling trigger= scare that your gun might be damaged in fall, nothing else

round chmbered + sling breaking= death

round chambered+ no sling at all+ dropping gun or safety fialing=death

no round chambered= no way for gun to accedenatly discharge.

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I've given a lot of state-required safety courses at our club and ALWAYS harp on that point. My biggest selling point has always been "think of how it would feel to accidentally kill a friend". I always found it to be much more effective than "because it's safer".

Admittedly, most hunters are unwilling to risk spooking a deer by chambering their round at the last minute, but that's where the maturity and wisdom of the individual comes into play.

REDTHIRST, that's a very valid argument for a concealed carry. We always wore our sidearms w/ a round chambered. BUT, that's a very different reason to be carrying a firearm. If being bum-rushed by a herd of angry deer was a possible hunting risk, then maybe hunters should re-consider their safety-vs-tactical choices.

Agreeed

IMHO if you dont feel that you can chamber a round w/o spooking your game, you need not be hunting. There has been times that its takin people I know 2 minutes to chamber a round, and no amimal was spooked. Risking someones life becuase you think it will give you an edge is ludicris(sp)

c6quad · 10-27-2006, 03:49 PM

damn. i hate reading and hearing about stories like that. it was totally avoidable and it's easy to preach safety and say what he should have done but it's too late for that now. i feel for the guy and his family.

in the county that i deer hunt in NC a game warden can write you a ticket for having a chambered round in the gun if your on the ground. you also, by law, have to be at least 8' off the ground to fire a centerfire rifle larger than .22 caliber in that county.

Azzy · 10-27-2006, 03:58 PM

So thats why those guys jump around in counterstrike... hmmmm..

kidneythief · 10-28-2006, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Al Ray

Then your instuctors taught you wrong, as I can almost guarentie you that no lititure will tell you to have a round chambered for the purpose of hunting (Concealed carry is a whole different story and typ of gun)

No round chambered +sling breaking+pulling trigger= scare that your gun might be damaged in fall, nothing else

round chmbered + sling breaking= death

round chambered+ no sling at all+ dropping gun or safety fialing=death

no round chambered= no way for gun to accedenatly discharge.

Agreeed

IMHO if you dont feel that you can chamber a round w/o spooking your game, you need not be hunting. There has been times that its takin people I know 2 minutes to chamber a round, and no amimal was spooked. Risking someones life becuase you think it will give you an edge is ludicris(sp)

Agreed. I practice the same in your and others posts. A non-chambered round is just one more precaution.

However, this was taught for the purposes of awarness and control over the weapon.

-Jake

Emerald Wolf · 10-29-2006, 01:23 AM

I really feel for this guy. Maybe he was doing something wrong, but probably had been doing it his whole life with no problems. It's easy to armchair quarterback these things to death.

But yeah, he wasn't thinking.....

I do not trust safeties. Some are downright funky (like the half cock on old Winchesters). I had the whole matter explained very simply when I did hunter's safety. For proper gun safety you only need to remember 3 things. Control the muzzle, control the lock (trigger, bolt, etc), and control yourself. Pretty much if you control these 3 things, you'll not accidently shoot somebody. Heck, if you control any one of the three your chances of shooting somebody accidently go down quite a bit. If had unloaded his rifle after the "almost" shot, he would no have shot his Dad. When me and Dad hunt, we mostly walk with unloaded rifles. When we think we're close, we both chamber a round. At that point the safety is engaged and we walk staggered with barrels in opposite directions. We plan beforehand which side/shooting lane to take (You bird guys know what I mean) When things back off, we unload the rifle (guys, really it takes 3 seconds to push the cartridge back into the mag of most hunting rifles).

As far as revolvers....Well, the round under the hammer debate comes down to one detail. Does you revolver have a transfer bar or is the firing pin part of the hammer? If it has a transfer bar, it is fairly safe to have a round under the hammer. Revolvers with the firing pin as part of the hammer (or not having a transfer bar over an in frame pin) should NEVER have a round under the hammer. If you hit the hammer, the round very likely will go off. Al, as far as the single/double action thing goes, from what I understand most police departments were switching to autos or hammerless double actions because shooting a revolver in single action had a bit too much of a hair trigger...

Catchya on the Flip Side.....

Emerald Wolf -- it doesn't hurt to check your slings as well once in a while. I had mine break whilst cleaning one time. Luckily all I had to be pissed about was whether I'd knocked the scope out of alignment....

10-27-2006, 03:58 PM	#13 (permalink)
Azzy Mod-O-Rator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Finleyville, PA	So thats why those guys jump around in counterstrike... hmmmm.. __________________ Bryan "Azzy" Spiegel Riverside Renegade Paintball / C.C. S.V.S. Plankowner - LPPC#6 "It is my right to be uncommon—if I can. I seek opportunity—not security. I do not wish to be a kept citizen, humbled and dulled by having the state look after me. I want to take the calculated risk; to dream and to build, to fail and to succeed. I refuse to barter incentive for a dole. I prefer the challenges of life to the guaranteed existence; the thrill of fulfillment to the stale calm of utopia. I will not trade freedom for beneficence nor my dignity for a handout. I will never cower before any master nor bend to any threat. It is my heritage to stand erect, proud and unafraid; to think and act for myself, enjoy the benefit of my creations and to face the world boldly and say, “This I have done.” - Dean Alfange

10-27-2006, 03:49 PM	#12 (permalink)
c6quad MCB Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: NC	damn. i hate reading and hearing about stories like that. it was totally avoidable and it's easy to preach safety and say what he should have done but it's too late for that now. i feel for the guy and his family. in the county that i deer hunt in NC a game warden can write you a ticket for having a chambered round in the gun if your on the ground. you also, by law, have to be at least 8' off the ground to fire a centerfire rifle larger than .22 caliber in that county.

10-29-2006, 01:23 AM	#15 (permalink)
Emerald Wolf Active Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Denver, Colo.	I really feel for this guy. Maybe he was doing something wrong, but probably had been doing it his whole life with no problems. It's easy to armchair quarterback these things to death. But yeah, he wasn't thinking..... I do not trust safeties. Some are downright funky (like the half cock on old Winchesters). I had the whole matter explained very simply when I did hunter's safety. For proper gun safety you only need to remember 3 things. Control the muzzle, control the lock (trigger, bolt, etc), and control yourself. Pretty much if you control these 3 things, you'll not accidently shoot somebody. Heck, if you control any one of the three your chances of shooting somebody accidently go down quite a bit. If had unloaded his rifle after the "almost" shot, he would no have shot his Dad. When me and Dad hunt, we mostly walk with unloaded rifles. When we think we're close, we both chamber a round. At that point the safety is engaged and we walk staggered with barrels in opposite directions. We plan beforehand which side/shooting lane to take (You bird guys know what I mean) When things back off, we unload the rifle (guys, really it takes 3 seconds to push the cartridge back into the mag of most hunting rifles). As far as revolvers....Well, the round under the hammer debate comes down to one detail. Does you revolver have a transfer bar or is the firing pin part of the hammer? If it has a transfer bar, it is fairly safe to have a round under the hammer. Revolvers with the firing pin as part of the hammer (or not having a transfer bar over an in frame pin) should NEVER have a round under the hammer. If you hit the hammer, the round very likely will go off. Al, as far as the single/double action thing goes, from what I understand most police departments were switching to autos or hammerless double actions because shooting a revolver in single action had a bit too much of a hair trigger... Catchya on the Flip Side..... Emerald Wolf -- it doesn't hurt to check your slings as well once in a while. I had mine break whilst cleaning one time. Luckily all I had to be pissed about was whether I'd knocked the scope out of alignment....