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Old 11-14-2006, 03:03 PM   #11 (permalink)
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On the one hand, I see the need for grassroots response to government when the people are not happy with what is happening. That is pure democracy.

I am, on the other hand, getting SO FED UP with all the partisan whining and "sky is falling" rhetoric that I am hearing from those that feel that the recent elections are a portent of utter doom. It is the same as all those A-hole celebrities saying they were going to move away from the U.S. if the other side won the last election.

Why do people allow themselves to be so partisan and hateful in our national political circus? It is just so much brainwashing and the response is no different than drunks who get into fights in bars over who is the best quarterback or kids bickering on PBN.

Get OVER it!

Concentrate on the issues that are important to you and your community and let those people in "power" know how you feel, but give the political fanboyism a break. They are all a bunch of scumbag politicians until their individual behavior proves them to be otherwise.

If the ban on BB guns is something that you with which you disagree, sound off! Write them letters and watch all politicians carefully. If you leave the sloganeering out of your statement, you will avoid being classified as just another partisan fanatic.

All that said, the fact that the lawmakers want to ban BB guns in Mass. is a sure sign that the BB gun industry is on the wane. Otherwise the same lobbyists that protect all the other money in the U.S. would have paid all these guys off already.

Imho, these bans (assault weapons, BB guns, fireworks, drugs) do nothing less than increase the sales and profits of the industries that make the proposed banned items.

Consider the notorious assault weapons ban for example. Talk of the upcoming ban sent weapons sales and prices skyrocketing. Every gun store I frequent did bumper crop business as they sold high capacity mags and guns with bayonet lugs like gold bars.
Every American who wanted an assault weapon bought as many of them as they could afford. Those who did not want one, but thought their children might bought guns, etc. It was a gold rush for everyone associated with the assault weapons industry.

Then, when the beauty of the sunset on that law, the bottom dropped out of the market. It was already flooded with all those trying to sell their extra AW's and then we suddenly had 1200 little shops jump out of the wood work to make AR's, etc.

If anything, banning BB guns will bring about a rennaisance of BB gun interest and then, when the ban expires, the same glut will occur.


In America, the best way to stimulate considerable consummer interest is to ban a product or concept.

We just can't get enough of that funky stuff.

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Old 11-14-2006, 03:05 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Just think about that quote, "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns."

And honestly, I'll die with a paintball gun in my hand now if that is what it comes down to. As for firearms, well I don't own any at the moment. I'm glad I at least live in NH. We're slightly more free gun wise.

This is insanely silly. One of my friends down there is rabidly pro gun (not that I fault him in that) and his entire reasoning is something along the line of "Well if you live in Mass and legally own a gun, you HAVE to be rabidly pro gun or they will take them away from you and make you a criminal!"
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Old 11-14-2006, 03:44 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Is it just a proposal? Anyone from MA know exactly what that means? How many people are supporting it and stuff. Can't just about anyone at the state government level propose something?

The wording of that quote is pretty vague.
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Old 11-14-2006, 03:54 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Sam, Drum, I see what both of you are saying. Im not crying sky is falling. Im saying the sky has allready fallen years ago, we're trying to glue the damn thing up, but that idiot over there just let go of his corner
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Old 11-14-2006, 05:04 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Azzy, if you just let a smile be your umbrella, then you would not have to worry about the sky so much.

Now...

Off to the hearing on my speeding ticket. Night court in NJ! Hopefully the statie will decide to stay home...

Fingers crossed.

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Old 11-14-2006, 05:31 PM   #16 (permalink)
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How many of you actually own a fire arm (let's include BB and Pellet). Aren't they fun! Look nice too.
How many of you have been shot at, or even had the pleasure of staring down the barrel of one whislt the guman threatened to blow your head off???
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Old 11-14-2006, 05:41 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I'm sorry but I didn't find the part anyone was trying to pass laws banning bb guns. That link was nothing more then a partisan website (something similar to what you anti-aclu folks mention). So please put a REAL link with real sources.

BTW: WHO is the GOVERNOR of Massachusetts?? It's Mitt Romney... And in case you forgot, he's a republican.

Who's the LT. Governor of Massachusetts? It's Kerry Healey. Another republican.

So who's in charge of Massachusetts?

Who's the governor of Vermont? Jim Douglas, republican
Who's the governor of Rhode Island? Donald Carcieri, republican

Who's "in charge" of these states?

Secondly, as Azzy quoted, it's a proposal, not currently LAW. Putting blame when you don't know the facts on Democrats is typical on partisan republicans.

Hell, do you folks even KNOW the amount of proposals they introduce in state legislatures? And now many of those even get a chance for a floor discussion let alone a vote? Give me a break. THIS is fear mongering folks.

Frankly, if had even a remote chance of passing, I would not be sitting here typing this and instead writing to the MASS STATE legislature and not blaming Uncle Teddy because Uncle Teddy does not sit IN the STATE legislature and does not pass laws in the state legislature.

But if you are concerned, why are bitching about it here and not doing something tangible about it?

Third: Azzy? Do you have proof this is their intention of taking away paintball guns or is that "the sky is falling" scenario based on fear, not on facts?
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Old 11-14-2006, 05:43 PM   #18 (permalink)
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You keep pointing out who is "governor", and neglect to point out that the actual law making body(The state senate) is actually overwhelmingly Democrats.


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I'm sorry but I didn't find the part anyone was trying to pass laws banning bb guns. That link was nothing more then a partisan website (something similar to what you anti-aclu folks mention). So please put a REAL link with real sources.

BTW: WHO is the GOVERNOR of Massachusetts?? It's Mitt Romney... And in case you forgot, he's a republican.

Who's the LT. Governor of Massachusetts? It's Kerry Healey. Another republican.
Fact Massachusetts is one of the most anti gun states in the nation

Another fact, Kerry Healey is, on many issues, one of the more liberal Republicans around

Another interesting tidbit, Mitt Romney is a Lame Duck governor while he runs for president.

In January Deval Patrick, a very liberal democrat, takes office in a liberal democrat state.
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Old 11-14-2006, 05:58 PM   #20 (permalink)
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And here's another FACT -->

Mass. House Legislation no. 1910 "Of the Bill banning the sale or possession of automatic BB guns (House, No. 1910)" was introduced into the Mass. House Journal in dec 8, 2005
http://www.mass.gov/legis/journal/hj120805.pdf

Well that didn't go very far in the legislature and if the nra was so concerned, then why are they only now stoking the "they are taking away our rights" line?
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