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Old 02-22-2009, 06:19 PM   #101 (permalink)
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I thought the FreeFlow guns were the ones that had a reputation for ruining lower tubes - they had tungsten hammers IIRC. I could be wrong though, those Shocktech Phat hammers are pretty heavy.
my bad....yea, the shocktech hammrs had that brass part with a alum/steel front that smacked the poppet stem...BUT didnt they also didnt a few of teh sfl "also" have the tungsten hammers as well???? im not sure but i remember on the ,now defunct, AOG that thread ran for like 400 some post about that whle tirad....

sfl used to operate around 240 psi, or lower right???...
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Old 02-22-2009, 06:24 PM   #102 (permalink)
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Let's not forget that since cockers are closed bolt, users are are almost as likely as pump shooters to notice rollouts, which is the classic indication that your paint/barrel match is not working. Therefore, cocker users were probably more likely to switch to a better paint/barrel combination, and thus improve their long-range accuracy, than people using automags, which by the nature of their detent system won't exhibit rollouts even when the paint match is extremely poor.

Cocker stock barrels were generally tighter than most other barrels of their time too; I have a stock '98 cocker barrel that I believe is .688 or smaller, when most aftermarket barrels of the time were above .690.

It never did occur to me why my stock barrel was so much more accurate with Marballizer than the stainless DYE barrel I had paid so much money for.
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Old 02-22-2009, 06:24 PM   #103 (permalink)
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To me it has always been in the platform or the engine if you will. A cocker firing from the closed bolt should be easier to hold steady and on target to what you are aimed at.
The mag with the blow forward action was more apt to get off target easier.
But the perception was cocker guys hit what they shoot at because of the gun and Mags walked it in.
maybe on a single shot basis ...

but in rapid fire closed vs open bolt makes no difference in accuracy.

if your kick pattern looks like this -

+- for a close bolt. and -+ for an open bolt,

in rapid fire you have +-+-+-+-+-+ which is the same as -+-+-+-+-+-+
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Old 02-22-2009, 06:53 PM   #104 (permalink)
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You also need to take into effect the difference on OP. At least I thought that hp markers give more kick, but I have no data or proof, just speculation. But yeah, if they both have equal kick then both will be just as accurate.
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Old 02-22-2009, 07:12 PM   #105 (permalink)
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Wow.
Just wow.
I'm going to get one.
I don't care what I have to do.
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Old 02-22-2009, 07:16 PM   #106 (permalink)
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And coming from a guy with his user name.
Seriously, the whole mag/cocker thing just comes down to personal preference.
For me, I like my cocker based guns.

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But yeah, if they both have equal kick then both will be just as accurate.
Not if one is not as consistant as the other.
Shootdown anyone?
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Old 02-22-2009, 07:27 PM   #107 (permalink)
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that is true, party. I normally run a sidewinder, gladiator, CP or stab on my markers so consistency isn't too much of a big deal for me at least.

Does anyone know how much fluctuation in fps you got on a mag? I've never been near a chrono more than once with a mag. I've just shot em in my back yard for the most part.
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Old 02-22-2009, 07:30 PM   #108 (permalink)
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I have gotten +/- 2 with my classic valve and compressed air. I never got that consistent of a reading over with any of my RT valves.
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Old 02-22-2009, 07:48 PM   #109 (permalink)
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really? I thought the RT's were supposed to be great consistency wise...hmm...maybe I'm listening to some of the wrong ppl.
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Old 02-22-2009, 08:08 PM   #110 (permalink)
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my emag is the most consistent gun i have ever shot. yes, i have owned and shot AKA, cockers for years.
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