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[delta paintball]

Bronc, I read your website. It was a nice read.

[bronc]

Gracis!

[exceolite]

Hopefully things work out. Just bought another quest as i liked my first one so much. Solid marker.

[Siress]

Originally Posted by Harbinger[TG]

Apparently the entire industry uses the same creative art team or something. It really makes no sense at all. I mean here we are marketing and hyping every non-essential thing like color, but these guys can't CAD a different look. I mean SP supposedly has like 30 million dollars of machines, one would think these people could change it up a bit. Even all the two tube stack guns look the same too.

I gotta see these cookie cutters you guys must have, they're magical. If by "same design" you mean complex curves that require a great deal of machine time, then yeah... (but they pay CAD guys MORE for that, since it takes a lot longer to CAD as well; which brings me back to the magical cookie cutters.) So you want minimalistic designs? Shoot a pump. The market for these guns is aimed at people that care about looks (more than function, in some instances).

[LU_aDaK]

Cookie cutter huh?

A basketball looks like a basketball, football like a football.

Why cant a pbgun look like a pbgun?

[Paintballer50505]

Originally Posted by Siress

I gotta see these cookie cutters you guys must have, they're magical. If by "same design" you mean complex curves that require a great deal of machine time, then yeah... (but they pay CAD guys MORE for that, since it takes a lot longer to CAD as well; which brings me back to the magical cookie cutters.) So you want minimalistic designs? Shoot a pump. The market for these guns is aimed at people that care about looks (more than function, in some instances).

im not sure pumps can be called minimalistic anymore in comparison to some new electros. Look at the blowforwards, there are 2 moving parts that handle air, the solenoid and the bolt thats it.

[Siress]

Let's completely forget about the circuit boards, solenoid valves and fancy schmancy regulators. :P Besides, we're talking about the aesthetics, not the function. Nelson bodies are just tubes... exterior of a phantom body isn't even machined, extruded finish. Beat that! :P

[Paintballer50505]

Originally Posted by Siress

Let's completely forget about the circuit boards, solenoid valves and fancy schmancy regulators. :P Besides, we're talking about the aesthetics, not the function. Nelson bodies are just tubes... exterior of a phantom body isn't even machined, extruded finish. Beat that! :P

talking of pure aesthetics about paintball guns is really ignorant, paintball guns are equipment to be used for our sport and the performance and design is what is truly important. I agree you can call many modern guns cookie cutter, but that is based off the inner workings of the gun not the external look (the ion, g3, geo, crome, nt, drone all operate identically). Besides the internals they all try to look appealing to the eye, and are designed to be ergonomic in your hands, the aesthetics will look similar but thats not real important in the long run.

but comparing a blow forward to a nelly.

a nelly has a trigger, a sear assembly, a bolt to move the ball to the barrel, a hammer, and a poppet valve. Regs can be used on anything, i wont count them, isnt it proven that they are better with 12gs as well? The gun needs you to pump it for it to cycle.

a blow forward has a trigger, a board, to replace the sear assembly, a solenoid, that acts as a 4 way. and a bolt that moves the paint into the barrel and acts as the valve at the same time. the gun needs a battery for it to cycle.

to me neither really seems more complicated than the other. And sadly with most of the newest guns its even easier to open them to clean then a nelly.

agreed that the nelly must be simpler to make the body, but there are people who take the simplicity of a nelly to the next level, look at the ducks, and carter guns. a modern electro can be made to look like a simple tube as much as a nelly can be made to look aesthetically pleasing.

back to modern guns looking all the same i think it is funny that people dont say that most nellys look the same, as well as most sheridans. Nelson based guns were the cookie cutter gun for a very very long time.

[Siress]

Do you realize that you interjected just to call the topic of discussion ignorant? Not only is that rude, but it's closed minded. I, too, am in an engineering program and care nothing of aesthetics, but I can respect those that do and understand what drives them to care.

[bronc]

A lot of the initial design work, when it came to how it looks, came via feedback from players. We even had some public polls on things, like trigger designs - where we made 6 different options and let people vote on the most popular, which is now going to be what it comes with. That's just one example.

Looks are all subjective; you like it or don't. I'm more worried about the internals myself. I want it to function as promised and as best as we can make it right now. As we go along we'll learn things from the current design, and then we integrate that into the next version.