Can a Pug hold its breath...

splattttttt · 03-23-2007, 12:13 AM

long enough?
What are your experiances with them?
I'm asking because I think mine's a hog.

Bones · 03-24-2007, 05:53 PM

All of the ones that I have shot (one normal and one long barrel) could get around 30 shots off of a 12 gram. That is plenty for me.

Cunha · 03-25-2007, 04:21 PM

They are efficient. Maybe yours could benefit from being taken apart and cleaned up and relubed.

Maybe some springing.

Dont know, maybe it is even leaking faintly somewhere.

Should pull 30.

splattttttt · 03-25-2007, 06:38 PM

Have either of you two ever dared lightening the hammer. A la Thompson as for a Nelson?
A lighter hammer will be kinder to the valve pin, and I did strengthen the valve spring already, thought ambient temp. here is below 60* at present time.

Cunha · 03-25-2007, 08:03 PM

Not sure if it will do good. It may be possible to improve some things with a lighter hammer.

If you lighten the hammer and then simply use a harder main spring to open the same valve, you are not being easier on the valve pin <which doesnt need being easier on>

but you may be able to use the same mainspring or lighter, and a lighter valve spring and make it work.

I dunno. Tinker

Nelsons and sheridans work in a very different way, thats for sure.

B · 03-25-2007, 11:09 PM

You can't do effiency tuning in NE in the winter you have to wait untill it is 65+ out.

splattttttt · 03-26-2007, 09:10 AM

Since I've managed to gather the three of you together in reference to my question. And since I've always held you opinions in high regard, it is only fair that I share with you exact details, as to how I've been coordinating my test so far.
First off, I' am indoor. As a matter of fact, my gear is being stored in my basement, which is also serving as the prime location.
My powerlets and Pug are in the same closet. The balls are being shot from the inside of my basement, and I keep my basement at around 65- 68 degrees. So I do have reason to be concerned.
Yesterday, I found a nice spring that is slightly conical, with just a little more firmness then the PPS I had in the Pug. It showed absolutely no changes in efficiency what so ever.
My first eleven shots start out pretty much how I want them, the next magazine starts dropping off.
I know the marker is holding its pressure well, by the time the powerlet reaches empty, it will just vent off. That is not a helpful fact, I know, but it does tell me that there's a significant amount contact from the hammer to the valve pin. I didn't hear any leaks though.
I'd like to drill a series of holes through the hammer, and use a slightly shorter main spring. If I botch it up, I can always get me a new hammer. But would doing this help with efficiency?

Walker · 03-26-2007, 02:55 PM

Did you get it new? Or used?

I've had two Pugs, and both of them would get 30+ shots over 240fps.

If you got it used, there is a chance that someone took it apart and there's no telling what was done....... Resprung? Valve alignment? Different valve stem?

Good luck........

Walker

Kraus · 03-26-2007, 08:10 PM

Mine easily gets about 30 good shots before severly dropping off in velocity.

splattttttt · 03-26-2007, 11:18 PM

I should have mentioned a ways back, that it had just arrived from PPS so that they could resolve an issue I had with it, in that the CCI insta pierce valve wouldn't pierce, + a couple of other minor things.
FirePro84(his actual name's Tim) @ PPS had this to say from the ongoing What Are You Wating For From PPS? thread... "splattttt: that Pug was also across my bench recently...guns like these just make me want to build my new one more."
I know they test them before they send them back, but I doubt they're willing to check for efficiancy. Unless that was the reason it was sent in for, which it wasn't.
I'm sure that in warmer weather, it will do better... Has anyone seen that chart, that lists how varying tempearature effect co2 psi ratings recently?

03-23-2007, 12:13 AM	#1 (permalink)
splattttttt MCB Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Bean Town, U.S.A.	Can a Pug hold its breath... long enough? What are your experiances with them? I'm asking because I think mine's a hog. __________________ My Feed Back and album Norman Vincent Peale: "Believe that you are defeated, believe it long enough, and it is likely to become a fact. We tend to get what we expect." Don't let the so called Global Elite stick you with a chip. FIGHT FOR FREEDOM Carpe Diem, and smile a little Whish your Dog was smarter???

03-25-2007, 06:38 PM	#4 (permalink)
splattttttt MCB Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Bean Town, U.S.A.	Have either of you two ever dared lightening the hammer. A la Thompson as for a Nelson? A lighter hammer will be kinder to the valve pin, and I did strengthen the valve spring already, thought ambient temp. here is below 60* at present time. __________________ My Feed Back and album Norman Vincent Peale: "Believe that you are defeated, believe it long enough, and it is likely to become a fact. We tend to get what we expect." Don't let the so called Global Elite stick you with a chip. FIGHT FOR FREEDOM Carpe Diem, and smile a little Whish your Dog was smarter???

03-26-2007, 09:10 AM	#7 (permalink)
splattttttt MCB Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Bean Town, U.S.A.	Since I've managed to gather the three of you together in reference to my question. And since I've always held you opinions in high regard, it is only fair that I share with you exact details, as to how I've been coordinating my test so far. First off, I' am indoor. As a matter of fact, my gear is being stored in my basement, which is also serving as the prime location. My powerlets and Pug are in the same closet. The balls are being shot from the inside of my basement, and I keep my basement at around 65- 68 degrees. So I do have reason to be concerned. Yesterday, I found a nice spring that is slightly conical, with just a little more firmness then the PPS I had in the Pug. It showed absolutely no changes in efficiency what so ever. My first eleven shots start out pretty much how I want them, the next magazine starts dropping off. I know the marker is holding its pressure well, by the time the powerlet reaches empty, it will just vent off. That is not a helpful fact, I know, but it does tell me that there's a significant amount contact from the hammer to the valve pin. I didn't hear any leaks though. I'd like to drill a series of holes through the hammer, and use a slightly shorter main spring. If I botch it up, I can always get me a new hammer. But would doing this help with efficiency? __________________ My Feed Back and album Norman Vincent Peale: "Believe that you are defeated, believe it long enough, and it is likely to become a fact. We tend to get what we expect." Don't let the so called Global Elite stick you with a chip. FIGHT FOR FREEDOM Carpe Diem, and smile a little Whish your Dog was smarter???

03-26-2007, 02:55 PM	#8 (permalink)
Walker MCB Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Spokane, WA	Did you get it new? Or used? I've had two Pugs, and both of them would get 30+ shots over 240fps. If you got it used, there is a chance that someone took it apart and there's no telling what was done....... Resprung? Valve alignment? Different valve stem? Good luck........ Walker __________________ Member of the Old Farts Paintball Players Association (OFPPA) "Where You Wrap Up the Day, With Beer and Bengay!" Nelson Owner's Group

03-26-2007, 08:10 PM	#9 (permalink)
Kraus Old School Wannabe Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: All around Missouri	Mine easily gets about 30 good shots before severly dropping off in velocity. __________________ A.K.A. "The Krausinator"

03-24-2007, 05:53 PM	#2 (permalink)
Bones Active Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Minnesota	All of the ones that I have shot (one normal and one long barrel) could get around 30 shots off of a 12 gram. That is plenty for me.

03-25-2007, 04:21 PM	#3 (permalink)
Cunha MCB Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Monterey, CA	They are efficient. Maybe yours could benefit from being taken apart and cleaned up and relubed. Maybe some springing. Dont know, maybe it is even leaking faintly somewhere. Should pull 30.

03-25-2007, 08:03 PM	#5 (permalink)
Cunha MCB Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Monterey, CA	Not sure if it will do good. It may be possible to improve some things with a lighter hammer. If you lighten the hammer and then simply use a harder main spring to open the same valve, you are not being easier on the valve pin <which doesnt need being easier on> but you may be able to use the same mainspring or lighter, and a lighter valve spring and make it work. I dunno. Tinker Nelsons and sheridans work in a very different way, thats for sure.

03-26-2007, 11:18 PM	#10 (permalink)
splattttttt MCB Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Bean Town, U.S.A.	I should have mentioned a ways back, that it had just arrived from PPS so that they could resolve an issue I had with it, in that the CCI insta pierce valve wouldn't pierce, + a couple of other minor things. FirePro84(his actual name's Tim) @ PPS had this to say from the ongoing What Are You Wating For From PPS? thread... "splattttt: that Pug was also across my bench recently...guns like these just make me want to build my new one more." I know they test them before they send them back, but I doubt they're willing to check for efficiancy. Unless that was the reason it was sent in for, which it wasn't. I'm sure that in warmer weather, it will do better... Has anyone seen that chart, that lists how varying tempearature effect co2 psi ratings recently? __________________ My Feed Back and album Norman Vincent Peale: "Believe that you are defeated, believe it long enough, and it is likely to become a fact. We tend to get what we expect." Don't let the so called Global Elite stick you with a chip. FIGHT FOR FREEDOM Carpe Diem, and smile a little Whish your Dog was smarter???

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