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Old 04-25-2007, 09:08 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Typhoon vertical ASA removal

I'm having a hard time getting the vertical ASA off a Typhoon.

Craig and Tim from PPS said they loc-tite them on and use some kind of collet device to tighten them. Hot water and / or a torch were suggested. It just won't budge.


Can anyone suggest another way to get this thing off? It is supposed to unscrew...
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Old 04-25-2007, 09:13 AM   #2 (permalink)
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You tried hot water AND a torch and nothing happened?!?

Were I you, I would count that as a defeat and either reconsider my plans altogether or send the dang thing to PPS and have them do the work. Not great advice for a confirmed tinkerer, but that is my opinion.

Admitting defeat at the right moment will sometimes save you the damage that might come from frustration and/or extreme efforts.

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Old 04-25-2007, 09:22 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Check this link. The pics don't work any more but someone else had a "similar" problem. Maybe you could PM them to inquire about their methods. Best of luck.

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Thanks for the link. Now I know what to ask for.

We do large / heavy fabrications (AmTank Steel Solutions - simple stuff like cutting and bending 15" thick steel) so we don't have anything in-house that would take the ASA off without destroying it, but one of our engineers seemed to think a machine shop we use would be able to help.

I'll try that before shipping it off.
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Old 04-25-2007, 03:56 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Here is what I recommend.

You'll need a small strap wrench and a heat gun. If you don't already have them, you can get both fairly cheap at your local Lowe's - Home Depot.

NO torches. Torches are a bit much for baking loctite on a marker. Tends to have a nasty habit of leaving scorch marks at best and melting your internals at worst. (Don't ask how I know.. just trust me on this)

Put the marker in a vice (wrap it in a towel or some other soft cloth to prevent scratches) with easy access to the vertical adapter. Heat the joint with the heat gun until you see the loctite "gloss" and maybe bubble a bit (there is usually a tiny bit of loctite showing on the threads after application). Use the strap wrench to unscrew the vertical adapter. Viola.

This method will work on any loctite-ed joint up to the Red 272 formula without marring or damaging the marker.
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Grim,
good suggestion.

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keep us updated and post pics of the progress.
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Even with heat and a strap wrench it wouldn't come off.

Heat on the ASA caused a complete loss of friction / grip when using the rubber strap wrench I have. I had to let it cool enough for the strap wrench to grip before I could even try to turn it...
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Hmmm.. I'm more familiar with fabric straps on strap wrenches. Rubber strap could be a problem when combined with heat. In that case.. you may try wrapping the ASA with a cotton cloth before trying the strap wrench.

Technical note: If you heat the joint enough it should cook the locktite until it loses most of its cohesion. Will still require some torque but removal should be fairly easy.
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As reaper suggests, Heat is the key.
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Even after allowing the heated gun to cool, the locktite should be sufficiently defeated that you should be able to crank through it.

If not, more heat is probably not the answer. Is it possible that you are twisting it the wrong way or something? I have never removed one myself and so I am not familiar with the mechanism at all.

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