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Old 04-22-2008, 12:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
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KP2 Palmerization Question/Thoughts

I’ve picked up an untouched side tube KP2. After scouring the Sheridan and PPS forums, I’ve decided to send it in for a performance tune, wedgits, detent and springfeed conversion. I’m not going to touch the finish, planning on duracoating it if necessary afterwards.

The only thing I’m wavering back and forth on is the 12g vs CA. I’m a little particular about aesthetics, and I don’t like the look of a fast changer sticking out in front of the barrel. My thoughts were to leave the original 12g system in place, and get Palmers to tap and plug an airline where the CA would normally be attached. Is this possible? Is there room for both? I’m assuming the 12 g paraphernalia would be removed in a normal CA conversion, but if you were to leave it in and keep an empty 12g seated, would you be able to run CA?

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Old 04-22-2008, 01:15 PM   #2 (permalink)
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PPS can cut back the lower tube so the fast changer won't stick out past the end of the barrel.
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What about drilling a small hole under the 12gram so you could use a dummy and thread an air line into it through the hole? When running 12'ies you'd just have a hole in the tube that wouldn't get in the way of anything.
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What about drilling a small hole under the 12gram so you could use a dummy and thread an air line into it through the hole? When running 12'ies you'd just have a hole in the tube that wouldn't get in the way of anything.
The only problem with that is that you'd be removing the hose or fitting from the dummy every time you wanted to swap, which could lead to stripped threads. A better solution (functionally, not aesthetically) would be to cut a 12-gram dropout slot. That way, you'd just loosen the changer, pop out the 12-gram and insert the dummy.
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PPS can cut back the lower tube so the fast changer won't stick out past the end of the barrel.
Can they do that without de-soldering the entire barrel? I'd love to get it upgrades in time for Westcoast pump weekend, in the beginning of August.

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What about drilling a small hole under the 12gram so you could use a dummy and thread an air line into it through the hole? When running 12'ies you'd just have a hole in the tube that wouldn't get in the way of anything.
Thats a really interesting idea, I can see it being a little finiky, getting the hole lined up and screwing in the air line but I don't see why it wouldn't work. But I'm trying to keep the lines of the marker and avoid the KP3 CA look.
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Removal of a chunk off the front of the lower tube isn't hard.... cut across the tube.... heat.. it drops off. Clean surface and refinish.

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If you arent getting rollout problems, then you might mention to not touch the barrel.

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just as Schmitti said above, they should not have to desolder the entire tube to remove the portion they cut away.

you could also get them to side tap the valve and put a 90* elbow in there. you can keep the side tap plugged for 12 gram use and if you want to go CA, remove the plug and put in a quick disconnect fitting and run a remote. that would leave the gun very clean looking with out all the CA bracket crap.
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If you arent getting rollout problems, then you might mention to not touch the barrel.

Thats my 2 cents.
With a springfeed, wouldn't a detent be a good idea? You might not have rollouts as a rock'n tilt, but with a spring forcing forcing them in there I'm worried about double feeding.

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just as Schmitti said above, they should not have to desolder the entire tube to remove the portion they cut away.

you could also get them to side tap the valve and put a 90* elbow in there. you can keep the side tap plugged for 12 gram use and if you want to go CA, remove the plug and put in a quick disconnect fitting and run a remote. that would leave the gun very clean looking with out all the CA bracket crap.
That's a great solution, invisible when you want it to be. I think I'll go with that, and get the bottom tube cut so the fast changer is flush with the front of the barrel.

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yes, with a spring feed you'll want a detent.

cool deal. i'm sure you'll enjoy the gun. the performance tune is a night and day difference over a stock gun.
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