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Old 02-16-2008, 05:06 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Hi,

I totally spaced on the suggestion of the Canon S5 IS. It is a hybrid of a SLR and a P&S. I like what I have seen about it on line so far. My wife and I are going to CC tonight to take a look at it. I need to make sure my wife will be able to use it. The Nikon option is well kinda of out right now. Yes they make some nice bodies. Just a bit outside the price range. I will keep you all updated.

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Old 02-16-2008, 06:14 PM   #32 (permalink)
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The SLR like cameras offer a nice combo.. usually they have more options like a Prosumer, and the ease of a P&S. My oly SLR-Like even was threaded for filters and add on lenses.
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Old 02-16-2008, 06:23 PM   #33 (permalink)
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just watch the start times I had and Olympus E-10 which is one of those hybrid cameras, it started so slowly I constantly missed memorable photos. And battery life.
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Old 02-16-2008, 07:44 PM   #34 (permalink)
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also one thing I've noticed with my S5 that you'll want to keep in mind is that the viewfinder is digital, and largely sucks. if you're looking to use the viewfinder and get that nice perfect centered shot in the distance, forget it. it's just too hard to see much detail. however if it's, for instance, snowing and you don't want the lcd screen coated with wet snow, and you're not really trying to see that single flower in the middle of a boulder 100feet away, the viewfinder does ok.
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Old 02-16-2008, 08:21 PM   #35 (permalink)
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I personally shoot Canon but work at a camera store so I have ALOT of experiance with Nikons and actually teach classes on both systems. They are both good cameras. For a long time Canon held the edge in their sensors, and to a lesser extent lenses. Now this is becoming less and less true. What I will say is that when you compare the D40x (now being replaced by the D60) to the comparable Canon Rebel XTi (also being replaced) the Canon has the edge in their image sensor.

Howerver the Nikon D300 and D3 now have CMOS sensors (as do the D2x cameras from last model year). So they are catching up. Also they have released a few more high end lenses which Canon offered for a while now, they even went one better with a Super Wide 14-24mm F2.8 did Nikon. Having held that new super wide on a D3... it's about as good as it gets.

CMOS vs. CCD, CMOS wins every time. Basically less noise and better overall performance and battery life. I won't explain why but you can google all of that if you wish to learn more about the difference in sensors. CCD's are older technology. Every Nikon below the D300 is a CCD. The Canons are all CMOS including the Rebels. The new rebel XSi has the latest digic iii image processor, and has liveview.

However, the image sensor isn't what is making the image... I say this because I feel the lens is actually recieving and transmitting the light. The sensor captures this light... The lens is the most crucial part of the camera. A bad lens makes a good camera body not so good.

The lens/lenses that you employ in your kit will make all the difference. So don't spend so much on a body and sacrifice on a subpar lens. If it's between only a 18-55 kit and the latest and greatest body or a better lens and the previous model. The latter will give you a better setup overall (IMO).

In Nikon's defence they offer a better range of glass in the middle price bracket ($400-700). So if you can afford it go with Canon and GOOD GLASS (L series FTW). Otherwise get a Nikon and avoid the bargain kit lens and/or third party lenses if possible (the sigma hsm lenses are okay but I still prefer oem). I like the 18-135mm Nikon kit lens, but there's a new kit lens that they've announced: 16-85mm f3.5-4.5 (don't quote me on the aperature range it could be 3.5-5.6). The 16mm wide sounds like a great lens for a aps-c sensor, cough wait dx sensor... the reps hammered me on this, FX DX FX DX FX DX and so on

If you have the patience I'd wait until the new bodies ship in March or April. Just don't do too much research between now and then. See which one fits your hand better. See if you can stand unlearning that a number line reads left to right (Nikon, why?). I personally like the the Rebel XSi between the new bodies coming out. Liveview rocks for alot of what I shoot (architecture and interiors).

I shoot all L glass except for a few primes and the EFS 10-22 Super Wide, I have a 40D as my primary and also use a 5D loaner from work. My point n shoot is a Canon SD600. If you're serious about photo then a D-slr is what you need. If you decide to get another point n shoot I think Canon makes some of the best you can get. Their image processors have a slight edge there, as well as some cool shooting modes.
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Old 02-16-2008, 09:25 PM   #36 (permalink)
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I like what I've heard of the XSi but it's a bit out of the price range for the gf's gift. so I'll wait till it comes out, or right before, when the XTi drops in price and pick up whats already a great camera at a wonderful price.
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Old 02-16-2008, 09:45 PM   #37 (permalink)
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I think the XSi is gonna come in over top of what the XTi is at... Pretty sure the XTi was in the latest Canon brocure as well, so if the price doesn't move a whole lot I wouldn't be too surprised.
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Old 02-17-2008, 10:55 AM   #38 (permalink)
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hi,

hey Thor... How's the RT been? I did remember you worked in a camera shop though since I sent the RT there.

Sorry for the delay with everything, newborns and in laws are fun. It is really great my family and I are surrounded by great people.

So I went to the local CC. I have a feeling CC is going to go the way of Comp USA. First off, the store prices are much higher than the web site. I am talking like 10 percent higher or more. Second and this a biggie. There must have been 6 or 7 people in the camera dept but no help to be seen. There might have been a handful employees in the whole store and most of them were in the checkout area. Every time I have been in there, there was always at least one person in the every area of the store. I tinkered around with the descent selection they had there. The S5 is nice. It seems to have packed a punch in the size. I also looked at their other offerings. Since the prices are already messed up I didn't spend any more time than needed there.

Unfortunately, I have a feeling the local CC is going to out sooner than later. It just sad they can not even keep their price the same as the web site. Worse is I had to catch them on more than one occasion. Then I think I insulted the Fire dog rep the one time cause I said I would install the card myself. He was the only person who was around in the place to open the case. When I got to the register, the card rang up for more than the sticker in the store. I told the cashier that I wanted the correct price then I wanted it for the web price. It was some thing mind blowing so she went to get a manager. The manager at least apologized for the mistake but then said I should not receive web site pricing because I didn't buy it on the web site. I guess he didn't read the price match section of his store's policy.

Well I think I will have to find a good camera shop in the area. The flash memory is on sale everywhere(low end and high end). At least a shop will let you play with the camera without the cords and pesky saleskid that comes up to you in a Worse Buy or Circuit City or any other B&M electronic store. Some places like Expo I am just amazed they stay in business in general.

Continuing my journeys,
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Old 02-17-2008, 12:37 PM   #39 (permalink)
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The cheapest Nikon DSLR that can use your wife's older Nikon lenses is the Nikon D50. I've owned a D50 for a few years now, and it's a decent camera for the money. For professional work, I would go with a D70 or better, which I rented for a gig up in Hollywood to backup my D50. It focused much faster and had a more solid feel.

kenrockwell.com is one of the best resources I've ever seen for choosing a camera, as he is a professional photographer who buys, tests, and reviews Nikon and more recently, Canon SLR/DSLR cameras and lenses.

If you are buying brand new, I would be careful with extended warranty unless you are buying a camera you cannot afford to pay to get it repaired or replaced. They have really smart engineers who take all the MTBF (Mean Time Between Failure) Data of the little components of the camera, compute them to see the odds of failure, and use this data to set a price for the warranty so they can always make a profit. You would be better off taking the same amount of money you would spend on the warranty and putting it in an interest bearing savings account. I learned this from an engineer in the industry.

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The cheapest Nikon DSLR that can use your wife's older Nikon lenses is the Nikon D50. I've owned a D50 for a few years now, and it's a decent camera for the money. For professional work, I would go with a D70 or better, which I rented for a gig up in Hollywood to backup my D50. It focused much faster and had a more solid feel.

kenrockwell.com is one of the best resources I've ever seen for choosing a camera, as he is a professional photographer who buys, tests, and reviews Nikon and more recently, Canon SLR/DSLR cameras and lenses.

If you are buying brand new, I would be careful with extended warranty unless you are buying a camera you cannot afford to pay to get it repaired or replaced. They have really smart engineers who take all the MTBF (Mean Time Between Failure) Data of the little components of the camera, compute them to see the odds of failure, and use this data to set a price for the warranty so they can always make a profit. You would be better off taking the same amount of money you would spend on the warranty and putting it in an interest bearing savings account. I learned this from an engineer in the industry.
unless you get yourself a lemon or even one that doesn't quite last where it should. at least the ritz camera guys've said the warantee also covered accidental damage and such, so that makes a big difference to me. if it'll cover the possibility of butterfingers, or some idiot slamming into the GF causing her to toss her camera, knowing that they'll repair or replace it is a big weight off our shoulders. of course before we swipe the card and sign the warantee thing, we'll make sure thats actually in the paperwork.
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