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Old 09-26-2008, 10:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
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now i have a couple questions,
1. judging by the pics, how much do u think its worth?
2. is the pump stroke supposed to kinda stiff?
3 how can i tell how old it is?
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Old 09-26-2008, 11:05 PM   #2 (permalink)
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1. $70 IMO.
2. yep, nature of the beast i'm afraid... take the ball bearings out of the bolt. that will help.
3. you really can't but i can tell you it's not an old one. it has no rear sight, that's one give away.
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Old 09-26-2008, 11:16 PM   #3 (permalink)
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1-It's worth what you paid for it.

2-You can cut down the spring in the bolt to make it a little easier to pump, or get a hold of an "EZ Pull" bolt by Cooper-T. He's not around anymore but you can still find them here or there.

3-It's not a PGP 2000, it's an earlier generation, but not that early.
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Old 09-26-2008, 11:56 PM   #4 (permalink)
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i didnt buy it, i traded for it.
but thanks for the info so far
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Old 09-27-2008, 12:13 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Old 09-27-2008, 12:35 PM   #6 (permalink)
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The pump stroke is often hard on these from what I've seen because the hammer springs on the Sheridans is so hard. Not much to be done with it since that's just the way it is.

There's lots of room for friction in the pump handle and bolt though. If you pull off the pump handle and clean the inner area really well and then was both the lower tube and the part of the upper barrel where the pump handle rubs with a good car wax or just plain old Johnson's paste wax that'll help a lot.

Make sure the bolt isn't badly corroded. The metal they used seems to corrode really badly either from paint residue or from electrolysis due to contact with the brass. So make sure it's smooth or polish it down with 600 wet or dry sandpaper and oil and keep it lubed. The oil or Dow33 will really go a long way to preventing the corrosion.

I've fussed over a couple of these Sheridans now and provided the ball pusher back block assembly slides easily in the bolt the balls don't produce any serious resistance that I can feel. But again you want to keep the insides lubed with something so on the return stroke when the balls are being pushed outwards the are running on a film of lube and not directly on the brass.

One thing for sure, regardless of what you do they'll never be as light a stroke as any Nelson or a cocker modified pump.
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Old 09-27-2008, 12:55 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Here is some good info on the PGP for ya. Some info is outdated as far as links and pics missing. You also have to register to see the forum.

<A HREF='http://pgpog.org'>PGPOG - The PGP Owners Group</a> - Login
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Old 09-27-2008, 01:06 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Look on the engraving for where it was manufactured.

If it says Racine, WI on it, you've got a vintage one. If it says Bloomfield, NY it is definitely very late 90's or newer.

And, without any mods, the default pump stroke will be very stiff.
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Racine=good... Bloomfield=bad
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