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Old 02-02-2009, 10:26 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Phantom vs. SS

Pros and cons of the Phantom and Palmer SS. I have owned both but never shot a SS on the field.

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Old 02-02-2009, 10:41 AM   #2 (permalink)
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All minute details aside, the biggest are:

Phantom Pros

- removable barrel
- standard bottomline holes

Phantom Cons

- too light for some people

SS Pros

- very nice stock barrel
- wedgits
- vertical air

SS Cons

- heavier (not an issue for some)
- no return spring, must keep handle forward
- need a UMB for mounting a stock

I use a Phantom almost exclusively, and I had a SS for a few months as well. With both you really have the most competitive example of the Nelson and Sheridan valve setups. The SS was a blast to shoot, but it no doubt prefers bulk air. 12 gram efficiency was about average, less than a Phantom though, around 25-30 shots.

I sold mine because I could not get used to rocking back on the Speedball field. I regret selling it, I should have given it more time. I will own another one eventually, maybe with a 45 frame. I think running a stabilizer and a bottomline 9 oz would be an awesome setup.
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Old 02-02-2009, 04:50 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I went through this same dilemma when buying my second Phantom. The thing that really made me get a phantom was the bottomline holes.

If you play with the SS like a pistol then it's probably better for you. Me, I need a stock to be accurate and the UMB makes the grips on a sheridan really uncomfortable. Even with good grips, the UMB makes the grip frame significantly wider and the plates often stick out from under the grips and make it even more awkward to shoot.

The phantom is lighter, more versatile, more comfortable (with a stock), and cheaper than an SS. On the other hand, the SS will hold it's value just slightly better than a phantom and IMO feels better than a phantom if you use it without a stock. Accuracy is pretty even between the two and rollouts aren't a problem with either of them.

IME it comes down to whether you prefer a pistol or a stocked gun.
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Old 02-02-2009, 11:21 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I've owned and shot both.


I like the Phantom more because of the removable and the ability to use different bore barrels.

The SS was heaver, even when my Phantom has the Wevo Aluminum UC kit.
Also, the SS is the only stock gun I've been able to shoot well without a stock.

My SS got 30-35 shots per 12g, but I usually used a 3.5 tank. I'd also recommend getting the Phantom style feed, which when I ordered mine, was no additional charge, but I believe now it is.

I sold my SS (due to some bills) but still have my Phantom. I want another SS, but hate the fixed barrel. I'm leaning more towards a stick feed sniper. If I want to use 12g I'll just bust out the Phantom.

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Old 02-03-2009, 09:27 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I have owned 2 phantoms and 1 superstocker. Now i own one superstocker.

The phantoms were waaaaay too light for me. Just didn't feel right. I love my stocker. It is an amazing gun. I suggest you try them both out and decide for yourself.
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First let me say taht I have never owned an SS

Oddly enough (being that my electro of choic is an unmilled viking in part because I love the weight) I love the light weight of the Phantom, I do think that it just doesn't feel right without a stock of some kind.
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I've owned multiples of both.

I think I would own a Phantom if I had to pick. I used to hate the light weight of the Phantom but honestly the Phantom is just more versatile. Plus its just as good of a shooter.
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One of each I think would be the correct way to go

I have owned 1 SS and at least 5 differently configured Phantom. To me it all comes down to being able to make it exactly the way you want it. That means ordering it from Palmers the way you want it or getting lucky enough to find someone selling one exactly the way you want it.

The Phantom is very easy to add and change to suit exactly what you want. SC w/ dropout one game and next you could be open class with a 45/45 tank hanging off the grip.

I like the ability to make the Phantom your own more so than the PPS. Though with work you can change the SS, in no way does it have the flexibilty of the Phantom.

I also think that it is funny when people complain about a Phantom being to light and then go out and buy all of the lightest carbon figer parts for their snipers in an attempt to bring down the weight
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Old 02-03-2009, 07:40 PM   #9 (permalink)
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SS. I've owned both, phantom even had a lever changer, and I just couldn't get used to the weight. It just didn't have enough heft, threw off my aiming and the whole bit. Course, I had a micro-phantom. I held a regular VSC with a T-stock, and it felt much better. Still too light though. Plus, I honestly don't really like the pump stroke. I'll probably end up getting another though.
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I've owned 3 Phantoms and currently own a Superstocker. Both are great guns in their own ways. I prefer my Superstocker because it's my paintball soul mate.

With some electrical tape, you can make the Superstocker "rock forward" loading.
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