I wanted this Vector...

ajnin · 11-15-2006, 12:07 AM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...3626&rd=1&rd=1

thanks alot for sniping me calvin

, i am sure you are here ...

calvin · 11-15-2006, 12:08 AM

Sorry about that. I've been the loser on several Vectors. I just kinda decided I was going to get this one. I'll post pics of what it looks like in the light.

-Calvin

Brewtt · 11-15-2006, 12:11 AM

I saw that... EBAY wars.

We'll get our chance. Someday.

dcmotorworks · 11-15-2006, 02:26 AM

Whats up with that long barrel? Are those very common?

ajnin · 11-15-2006, 05:35 AM

hah... damn... you got me by like ... pennies.... ruined my day...
edit: i am looseing sorely

Drum · 11-15-2006, 07:18 AM

What you purchased is a "Model A" Vector. These are pretty rare today as nearly all of them were sent back to the manufacturer to be re-manufactured as "Model B" Vectors.

Initially released around 1992/93, the Model A was, as the auction text read, a very expensive paintball gun that did not really live up to it's price tag of around $600 per.

About 1000 or so Model A's were sold to National Paintball by Air Power and a few hundred more were sold directly by Air Power to various customers. After the problems with the initial Mod.A design surfaced, Air Power, under some pressure from Gino, agreed to re-design the gun and ultimately converted all of the 1000+ guns purchased by NPS and offered a free conversion to any and all who had already purchased the Model A.

To my mind, this is a fascinating study in ingenuity and business practice as Air Power executed a complete redesign of the operating system that required only a few relatively minor changes to create the Model B Vector.

Obviously, most of the Vectors that one finds today are Model B or Model C Vectors (Thruster ready guns with threaded holes in the pistol grip to permit the addition of a drop.) as nearly all of them were converted. All told, Air Power produced less than 1500 Vectors of all models.

The Model A's are somewhat clunky and sound different than Mode B Vectors (yes, they are still hella loud!) The Model A's sound more like an automated pump gun than a straight semi-auto, with a distinct two-stage report.
The A's are also somewhat slower than the B's and I think the A's are slightly more gas efficient than the B's/C's.

You have a fine collectible shooter there. Good luck with her. If you are dissatisfied with her, you might well be able to find a Vector collector around here who would be willing to swap you a B for your A. That is how I got my Model A.

Cheers,
D.

calvin · 11-15-2006, 09:22 AM

Thanks for the info drum!
I had one of the early Vectors (which I assume was an A) in college (1993ish), but sold it soon after due to lack of Beer funds and workbench space to care for it.
I am purchasing this marker strictly as a shooter. I play mostly with my nephew (13 years old) against walk-on rental type folks. Although blessed with a Viking, a DM5, and numerous other markers, I find that my VMs are mostly what is appropriate for use in these games. The Vector is to give me another oldschool marker alternative for use in those circumstances.
For that reason I very well might be open to a trade if someone has one of the C models they would want to part with. Collection is not really what I'm about anymore. I've owned almost everything since I started playing in 1987, but there's no way I could convince my wife to allow me to store as many markers as I would like to. I'm mostly about the fun of tinkering and breaking old school thunder out on the younger generation these days. My modern weapons are to beat down the not-so-rare punk that is disturbing the walk on game peace in his "tournament" outfit and gear.
My plan is to put my 92/4500 with a Centerflag Dynaflo regulator onto a drop connected to a lapco T-stock. Attach that to a Benchmark 45 grip and we're off to the races.
What are the problems (other than slower cyclic rate)I might encounter with an A model in such circumstances that I would not have with the more advanced models? Can I remove the velocity adjuster pin and set the velocity with a regulator on the A model?
If anybody has been looking for an A model and has a newer Vector as a shooter, let me know. It might be your lucky day if you fit that description!
I'll post pics of the marker when I recieve it as the ebay pics were unimpressive to say the least.

-Calvin

Drum · 11-15-2006, 11:31 AM

I am not sure exactly what the "problems" were with the old Model A, other than to say that the newer ones are snappier, faster shooting guns that suck more air.

I have shot my Mod. A on the field in several games over the years and I never noticed any reliability problems. If anything, I have had more trouble with my B/C Vectors than I have ever had with the A, but I am sure that is mostly the result of how much harder and more often that I have used my B/C Vectors in the fields.

For example, I have never experienced the dreaded "Vector Seizure" that the B/C versions are prone to in my Mod. A. (Vector seizure is when the spring behind the cup seal becomes kinked or something and suddenly vents air violently down the barrel) The only field solution to this problem was to disconnect the gas (all of my Vectors get an on/off somewhere in the supply line) and then release the pin on the Adapter Body and let it pull out of the body about 1/4". An audible click will be heard and then the Vector is ready to rock once more.

Like I said... this has never happened to my Vector A.

So... whose to say which design is ultimately better?

Not me (oh, wait, it WAS me...)

Perception can become reality, I guess.

D>

amcfall · 11-15-2006, 11:37 AM

Didn't the model A's have problems with breaking powertubes? I thought I read that on APOG.

Avery

Bored383 · 11-15-2006, 12:11 PM

here are pics of Drum's Model A . . . formerly mine . . . and before me it belonged to Maverick from SCP

http://www.bored383.com/gallery/VectorModelA

11-15-2006, 12:07 AM	#1 (permalink)
ajnin MCB Member Join Date: Sep 2006	I wanted this Vector... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...3626&rd=1&rd=1 thanks alot for sniping me calvin , i am sure you are here ...

11-15-2006, 12:08 AM	#2 (permalink)
calvin Ultimate Player Join Date: Jul 2006	Yeah...you're right Sorry about that. I've been the loser on several Vectors. I just kinda decided I was going to get this one. I'll post pics of what it looks like in the light. -Calvin

11-15-2006, 12:11 AM	#3 (permalink)
Brewtt CHEERS! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern California	I saw that... EBAY wars. We'll get our chance. Someday. __________________ Dabbling in the recreational paintball arts since 1991.

11-15-2006, 09:22 AM	#7 (permalink)
calvin Ultimate Player Join Date: Jul 2006	Thanks for the info Thanks for the info drum! I had one of the early Vectors (which I assume was an A) in college (1993ish), but sold it soon after due to lack of Beer funds and workbench space to care for it. I am purchasing this marker strictly as a shooter. I play mostly with my nephew (13 years old) against walk-on rental type folks. Although blessed with a Viking, a DM5, and numerous other markers, I find that my VMs are mostly what is appropriate for use in these games. The Vector is to give me another oldschool marker alternative for use in those circumstances. For that reason I very well might be open to a trade if someone has one of the C models they would want to part with. Collection is not really what I'm about anymore. I've owned almost everything since I started playing in 1987, but there's no way I could convince my wife to allow me to store as many markers as I would like to. I'm mostly about the fun of tinkering and breaking old school thunder out on the younger generation these days. My modern weapons are to beat down the not-so-rare punk that is disturbing the walk on game peace in his "tournament" outfit and gear. My plan is to put my 92/4500 with a Centerflag Dynaflo regulator onto a drop connected to a lapco T-stock. Attach that to a Benchmark 45 grip and we're off to the races. What are the problems (other than slower cyclic rate)I might encounter with an A model in such circumstances that I would not have with the more advanced models? Can I remove the velocity adjuster pin and set the velocity with a regulator on the A model? If anybody has been looking for an A model and has a newer Vector as a shooter, let me know. It might be your lucky day if you fit that description! I'll post pics of the marker when I recieve it as the ebay pics were unimpressive to say the least. -Calvin Last edited by calvin; 11-15-2006 at 09:42 AM..

11-15-2006, 12:11 PM	#10 (permalink)
Bored383 slacker elite Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sandy Eggo by way of Mobtown	here are pics of Drum's Model A . . . formerly mine . . . and before me it belonged to Maverick from SCP http://www.bored383.com/gallery/VectorModelA __________________ Check out my website http://www.bored383.com, hosted at http://www.angryhosting.com/ We need to save ourselves from those who would save us from ourselves. Tom Kaye '08 A book has moving parts. They're called pages. What will the future hold? smart parts = taco bell . . . Be Well!!

11-15-2006, 02:26 AM	#4 (permalink)
dcmotorworks Newbie Join Date: May 2006 Location: Seattle WA	Whats up with that long barrel? Are those very common?

11-15-2006, 05:35 AM	#5 (permalink)
ajnin MCB Member Join Date: Sep 2006	hah... damn... you got me by like ... pennies.... ruined my day... edit: i am looseing sorely

11-15-2006, 07:18 AM	#6 (permalink)
Drum Administrator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Trenchtown	What you purchased is a "Model A" Vector. These are pretty rare today as nearly all of them were sent back to the manufacturer to be re-manufactured as "Model B" Vectors. Initially released around 1992/93, the Model A was, as the auction text read, a very expensive paintball gun that did not really live up to it's price tag of around $600 per. About 1000 or so Model A's were sold to National Paintball by Air Power and a few hundred more were sold directly by Air Power to various customers. After the problems with the initial Mod.A design surfaced, Air Power, under some pressure from Gino, agreed to re-design the gun and ultimately converted all of the 1000+ guns purchased by NPS and offered a free conversion to any and all who had already purchased the Model A. To my mind, this is a fascinating study in ingenuity and business practice as Air Power executed a complete redesign of the operating system that required only a few relatively minor changes to create the Model B Vector. Obviously, most of the Vectors that one finds today are Model B or Model C Vectors (Thruster ready guns with threaded holes in the pistol grip to permit the addition of a drop.) as nearly all of them were converted. All told, Air Power produced less than 1500 Vectors of all models. The Model A's are somewhat clunky and sound different than Mode B Vectors (yes, they are still hella loud!) The Model A's sound more like an automated pump gun than a straight semi-auto, with a distinct two-stage report. The A's are also somewhat slower than the B's and I think the A's are slightly more gas efficient than the B's/C's. You have a fine collectible shooter there. Good luck with her. If you are dissatisfied with her, you might well be able to find a Vector collector around here who would be willing to swap you a B for your A. That is how I got my Model A. Cheers, D.

11-15-2006, 11:31 AM	#8 (permalink)
Drum Administrator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Trenchtown	I am not sure exactly what the "problems" were with the old Model A, other than to say that the newer ones are snappier, faster shooting guns that suck more air. I have shot my Mod. A on the field in several games over the years and I never noticed any reliability problems. If anything, I have had more trouble with my B/C Vectors than I have ever had with the A, but I am sure that is mostly the result of how much harder and more often that I have used my B/C Vectors in the fields. For example, I have never experienced the dreaded "Vector Seizure" that the B/C versions are prone to in my Mod. A. (Vector seizure is when the spring behind the cup seal becomes kinked or something and suddenly vents air violently down the barrel) The only field solution to this problem was to disconnect the gas (all of my Vectors get an on/off somewhere in the supply line) and then release the pin on the Adapter Body and let it pull out of the body about 1/4". An audible click will be heard and then the Vector is ready to rock once more. Like I said... this has never happened to my Vector A. So... whose to say which design is ultimately better? Not me (oh, wait, it WAS me...) Perception can become reality, I guess. D>

11-15-2006, 11:37 AM	#9 (permalink)
amcfall Active Member Join Date: May 2006	Didn't the model A's have problems with breaking powertubes? I thought I read that on APOG. Avery

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