Paintball

[CJOttawa]

Originally Posted by brycelarson

That test sounds perfect. You don't need to measure the paint, just buy good paint for the test. A Sample of 20-25 shots, record impact location and velocity. That my standard.

Here are a few accuracy tests we've conducted:

PunkWorks Paintball - The Science Side of Paintball -
PunkWorks Paintball - The Science Side of Paintball -
PunkWorks Paintball - The Science Side of Paintball -
PunkWorks Paintball - The Science Side of Paintball -
PunkWorks Paintball - The Science Side of Paintball -

There are variations test to test based on paint - but we've never seen statistically significant accuracy differences from ANY barrel we've tested. Paint, yes, First Strikes, hell yes.

Observation isn't useful in this instance. I've been the shooter on dozens, maybe hundreds of tests shooting at gridded targets. Almost every time as you're shooting your brain starts to try to find a pattern. I've turned to people who were helping with the test and said something like "this one looks really good" or "this one is terrible". Neither were true. Once you look at the numbers those two were exactly the same. We're just wired to try to see patterns in random data.

As to the question about not being measurable - this one is easy to measure. You're talking accuracy - that's easily quantifiable.

Now, gun ergonomics - hell yeah, that can certainly help or hurt accuracy. Maybe this is just easier to point because it gives you a barrel to sight along like most other guns.

In the case of the Redux, the gun already has an excellent set of actual firearm iron sights for aiming.

Further, the barrel extension is obscured by the slide.

Conclusion: visual cues aren't a factor.

Bryce: your tests are based on longer barrels. Have you tested a 6.25 inch barrel on an unregulated gun? The results might surprise you. There's a heck of a gas charge still behind the ball as it leaves a 6-inch, unported barrel at speeds approaching 300fps.

Observation isn't useful in this instance.

I respectfully suggest this may not be the case.

Example: if you experience a broken paintball in the breech or barrel of a paintball marker, subsequent paintballs will fly erratically.
This is highly observable.

Clean out the above-mentioned paint-filled barrel but miss a spot: somewhere between "a bit less" and "much less" erratic
This is also observable.

With the stock Redux 6.25 inch barrel, there was a shot grouping that developed, let's say "6-inches at 30-feet".
With the extended Redux barrel, that grouping starts to look like "3-inches at 30-feet".
Have I bench tested it? Not with a clamping bench vice, no.

Have I rested the gun on top of a bunker and shot a few hundred times at varying distances? For sure, with the same batch of Marblizer to boot, and Mosa food-grade 12-grams which are known to be very consistent.

For giggles, I may just put the marker in a vice, with a laser pointer attached for reference.

However, don't discount observation as being invalid.

Closing with a joke that contains a lot of truth: "Did you hear about the statistician? He drowned trying to cross a river with an average depth of 6 inches."

[DSA]

I think this is more of a case of optimum barrel length. As for punkworks they tend to have a negative Devils Advocate mentality that keeps me from taking them seriously. It's paintball not everything is measurable by strapping you gun down in a vice.

[flyweightnate]

Bryce, I think he was being sarcastic, for starters.

Second, I'd recommend going back over your analysis. It looks fishy, considering you took the average of an average to determine your statistical significance. When I crunched the numbers myself, the Pipe back looked notably worse than the DYE Ultralite, for example.

That said- this does look entirely like a CIP muzzle. Sounds impressive, and looks nice!

[Mar]

Originally Posted by PMI 3

Yes dammit, I will attest to the accuracy of the new barrel - and it's noticeably quieter. This is all good when the team picks put CJ and I on the same side...

my forehead and bicep will also both attest to the accuracy.

[Mar]

Originally Posted by brycelarson

prove it.

do you log on every day and use the search function with "accuracy" or "Barrel" just to look for fights? What are you even doing in the ReDux section? It looks like you are crashing a review for the sole purpose of instigating. That is an unnatractive behaviour.

[Greenmtnphantom]

So it was asked before the distracting argument about weather or not you can see differences in accuracy but, is the added length enough to affect efficiency?

For the record, I don't need to see proof or statistics. (this is an opinion question)

[DSA]

Originally Posted by greenmtnphantom

So it was asked before the distracting arguement about weather or not you can see differences in accuracy but, is the added lenght enough to affect efficiency?

For the record, I don't need to see proof or statistics.

If I had a shorty I would chime in but alas I have been cursed to only have the extended barrel....poor lil me boo hoo

PS: No trolling the Redux Section

[Greenmtnphantom]

Fair enough, hopefully I clarified enough that it doesn't sound like I'm picking a fight.

My interest in this is that it as with many other things in this sub forum is very much relevant to the wife's Duckslide, and how it performs.

[skx762]

Originally Posted by greenmtnphantom

Fair enough, hopefully I clarified enough that it doesn't sound like I'm picking a fight.

My interest in this is that it as with many other things in this sub forum is very much relevant to the wife's Duckslide, and how it performs.

"...And our beloved Nellys" skx762 chimed in.

I'm always scoping the Redux section out, I thrive on my short barreled beauties and learning about them (Nelly's and Phantoms forever!).

[Greenmtnphantom]

Originally Posted by skx762

"...And our beloved Nellys" skx762 chimed in.

I'm always scoping the Redux section out, I thrive on my short barreled beauties and learning about them (Nelly's and Phantoms forever!).

True, but my Nelspot is as good outside of the valve as it may ever get, I'm not changing anything with that barrel at least as CJ can attest there is something about that barrel that just works with today's paint. still messing with this insert idea of theirs.