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[CJOttawa]

EDIT: I see a Redux Knowledge Base thread.

OK, so I've got a Redux in the mail and I want to know how it works. I gather it shares things in common with Nelson pumps and the Phantom.

Where can I learn about things like hammers, power tubes, valves etc? I've seen the animated GIF's of breech-drop Nelson guns but that's about it. I wouldn't know if this page was accurate: How Nelsons Work

I want to get to this level of familiarity with the Redux:

[DSA]

Send me a PM with your questions Id love to help you out.

[ironchef97]

Internal operation is the same as a Nelson, it's just the feed system is slightly different from a normal nelson, as the feed is attached to the body, and the entire body moves when you cock the gun.

[CJOttawa]

See, we need a Redux FAQ or wiki so we can actually capture this info.

[CJOttawa]

DeTrevni,
I've got Redux R043 - two tone slate. I'll post photos soon.
Thanks for the info. I'm looking for consistency above all else. I'll accept a loss of efficiency or smoothness in favour of consistency. (consistency=accuracy)

[Magoo]

D'oh. I deleted what I said as I thought the information was already in the link you posted and I didn't want to be redundant.

Well, here's what I said:

Originally Posted by DeTrevni's post

Congrats on the purchase! What's the SN, and what color? I GOT'S TO KNOW!

How does it work? You pump it, point it at the baddies, pull the trigger and listen to them gripe about getting a lucky shot with a ramping gun that's shooting hot!

But seriously, it functions essentially the same as a Phantom, to put it on par with another modern day pump. The best way to get familiar with it is to mess around with spring combinations until you find one that suits you best. Generally, you can tune for pump stroke or efficiency. For a great pump stroke, you'd want to get the lightest mainspring in there, with the lightest valve spring to get it shooting at field velocities. This seems to have a negative impact on efficiency though. For efficiency, you want the heaviest valve spring with the lightest mainspring you can use to get velocity. The heavier the valve spring, in theory, the faster the valve closes after the shot. But the pump stroke will be heavier. Fortunately, Reduxes have a very nice pump stroke no matter how you tune it!

As for the powertube, the most you can do with that is change how much airflow gets to the ball. They are not standard Phantom size tubes, so any different size powertubes meant for the Phantom will have to be modified to fit. MOngo equips the Dux with a Lapco size 4 tube, which I believe is the highest flowing Lapco powertube. I haven't experimented with any other size yet.

Hammers come in varying weights. To use a Phantom hammer, a secondary hole has to be drilled for the Redux's pump latch, as it's different dimensions than the Phantom. Generally, a heavier hammer will require less spring force to open a valve, improving pump stroke.

Another trick is a good polishing to the internals. This should improve efficiency and pump stroke, but since my Dux cost me quite a bit, I've elected to let it break itself in via use!

I hope I helped a little bit, and if anyone catches anything wrong with what I said, please let me know!

I stand by what I said! The best way to figure out your gun's tuning is to dedicate some time to a chrono with a few 12g's, a spring kit and some allen wrenches.

I think consistency is inherent with the design, though tuning may have some effect on it. While messing around with mine, I didn't notice a tremendous change in consistency. I'd think, in theory, a heavier valve spring would be more consistent, as there would be less internal movement. Just theory though.

Good luck and congrats again!

[DSA]

Something everyone needs to keep in mind is when testing over the chrono test it as you would play example wait a bit before shots just like in the game. I usually shoot one after another but if you are looking for consistency use the shoot and wait method allowing the system to even out.

You consistency will get better with age trust me. But that doesn’t mean one game every 6 months I have been shooting a Redux over a year now and except for a few games I use it exclusively. I have more than a case of paint through it, that’s a lot of shooting of a single shot marker. I'm not saying its the best gun on the planet but it is one of them. Steve has not only recreated a classic he did what others have failed to do and that was improve the overall design.

Its a different kind of marker that’s for sure. IMHO it is not for spray and pray auto triggering types. Even with all my expertise with a stock class marker it was hard going at D-Day vs a barrage of electros and other crazy blowbacks. It sometimes took hours to "get ours." But once Steve and I got our rhythm it was game on.

I was lucky enough to play in the UWL and that was hard vs some of those guys. There were many times if I had the TM7 I could have owned 3 or 4 players at a time. That kind of thing really has to be planned with a stock class marker.

Every outing is different this past weekend I had a wonderful time great things happened for me I dont ever recall sneaking up on an opponent and shoving my barrel in their ribs and asking "How bout it buddy!" then taking out several more defenders and raising the flag. Next time out I may get owned but thats what makes it all fun.

[Gogged_Gurl]

a few little bits with the detrevini post

the #4 power tube is a middle ground power tube,higher number power tubes flow more,lapco #6's are readily available,but on the used market you can get them much larger

most nelson tuning centers around using a lighter hammer,and do not polish the internals cci internals are plated and polishing can dammage that factory plating and actually making them less smooth

i have noticed no change in pump stroke from stiff valve springs,the main spring and hammer/sear spring are the major factors in stroke

cheers

[ironchef97]

Actually...I thought Mongo takes a Lapco powertube and cuts it down about 1cm or so? Mine is also rebored on the inside to improve airflow. At least that's how mine came, I compared it to both a Lapco #4, #6, and phantom powertube, and it is unlike any of those.

[DSA]

I have been collecting different powertubes aka jetsets over the past couple of months when I can find them. I intend to cut them down to fit just to say I have them.