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Gargoyle Q&A's

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Q. What is the Gargoyle?

A. The Gargoyle is a Nelson based pump action marker with features unique to that marker -- such as the removable feed block and two piece valve body.

Q. What does the removable feed block do?

A. The feed block allows for quick access to the marker's internals.
Once the feed block is removed. the player can remove the markers bolt, mainspring, and hammer.


Q. How many paintball does the feed tube hold?

A. The Gargoyle's feed tube is designed to hold 13 paintballs. The feed tube
screws into the feed block (below, right, is the feed block)


Q. Why is there a slot in the Gargoyle's feed gate?

A. The traditional sockholder is used in the Gargoyle's feed gate. Normally a sturdy piece that rarely needs replacement, it sometimes does wear out. or if it falls out, it could be lost. The slot in the feed gate is to provide temporary ball retention using a rubber band or thin o-ring. Simply wrap the band around the milled groove and let the band slip into the slot and across the inside of the gate.


Q. What barrel does the Gargoyle use?

A. The current Gargoyle will come with the stock CCI Phantom barrel.


Q. Can other barrels be used with the Gargoyle?

A. Yes. The Gargoyle body is made with Autococker threads. To use
Cocker threaded barrels, remove the provided barrel adapter and change the two barrel bushings inside the pump body to compensate for the difference in OD (outside diameter) between the CCI barrel and Cocker barrels.
***Not ALL Cocker barrels will work perfect due to shapes of different barrels.


Q. How do the pump bushings work?

A. The Teflon bushings are threaded into either side of the pump body. Small variations in aftermarket barrels will need to be taken into consideration when using them. The bushing can be thumb tightened or use a multi-tool for removal and replacement.


Q. Will different sized barrel bushings be available in addition to the two currently available?

A. Currently there are no plans for this.

Q. How does the two piece valve work?

A. The valve body is made so the player can gain access to the valve spring without taking the marker or air line apart.

(Always degas the marker before removing the end cap and before doing any work on the marker even when there is a bleed hole)

To gain access to the spring, simply unscrew the back cap, drop out the spring guide, and the spring should fall right out.


Q. Why does the Gargoyle have a removable feed block and two piece valve body?

A. To keep players on the field instead of fiddling with their markers! Play time is limited as is. Players spend way too much time fiddling with a marker to get it to chrono or cleaning it after a ball break or a marker hit that gets paint into the internals. The Gargoyle is designed to make it easy and quick to keep the Gargoyle in operating condition.


Q. Does the Gargoyle have any ball retention capability?

A. The Gargoyle comes with the "Cocker to Phantom" threaded barrel adapter. This adapter has three depressions that provide resistance to the paintball, to help keep the paintball from rolling forward before it is shot. In testing it prevented rollouts with most all paintballs.


Q. What kind of trigger does the Gargoyle have?

A. The Gargoyle has an adjustable sliding trigger that is fitted for each Gargoyle by hand. Contact on the sear is made by a Teflon nub that rises from the center of the trigger and provides a smooth, crisp trigger pull.

Great care is taken to insure the trigger is as smooth as it can be.

The time it takes to complete a single Gargoyle seems endless with details like this but when each is finished it is well worth the time and the money.


Q. Can I put Gargoyle parts on my Phantom?

A. Yes. The valve, the pump, the body with feed tube, or complete lower trigger group, can be fitted to a CCI Phantom.


Q. I put a Gargoyle lower on my Phantom and it is not working as smooth as it should be. Suggestions?

A. With variations in the machining process between CCI and RTR there are sometimes slight differences that may cause the sear to be out of position. Work with the sear a little to see if you can adjust it to be smooth. Please take it to an airsmith if you don't know what this is all about.

Some owners have ground the sear a tiny amount to make a better match. If you still have this issue, you can send your entire marker to me and I will make sure it works as smooth as it should and send it back at no charge.


Q. What grip frames can be used with the Gargoyle?

A. Any grip that fits a Phantom will fit on a Gargoyle. And the Gargoyle grip can be used with a Phantom as well.


Q. Can the Gargoyle be fitted with a stock?

A. Yes, the grip has five mounting holes for positioning a stock how you like it.


Q. Does RTR make stocks?

A. Not at this time.


Q. Why is the Gargoyle expensive?

A. The Gargoyle is a hybrid custom marker that uses the Nelson operating system with generally a Nelson valve design -- different from, but generally along the concepts of the Carter Machine pumps, the CCI Phantom, and other Nelson style pumps. The Gargoyle shares with the Nelson how the marker works relating to the bolt, hammer, and air flow.

Then comes the custom work and custome design of the Gargoyle, especially extensive custom machining that cuts the body, body block, and pump from solid block aluminum. Time consuming work creates the Gargoyle body, with details resulting from the individual, custom work and hand assembly.

Each body block, once mated with the Gargoyle body, stayes with it for the entire process of manufacturing, via a steel plug. The custom work includes careful filing, sanding, more sanding, and hand polishing.

Below image is of the body and feed block being honed which if not carefully can break your wrist off.

Every Gargoyle body results from countless hours of work before the marker goes to ano (anodizing).

Those players who rock with a Gargoyle know they own a quality custom marker they can show off because of its looks and its performance.


Q. Are there sight rails available?

A. Not yet. This is in prototype.


Q. Are you planning on making a feed block that can use a vertical hopper?

A. Not really. Although one is designed, it just looks wrong for the Gargoyle. It is not out of the question. This may be something for the future.


Q. Where can I buy a Gargoyle?

A. Remember The Ronin


Just some images to show the differences between the Carter Buzzard, CCI Phantom, and the Gargoyle.

One thing to keep in mind. Earon Carter has made many different versions of his markers, and with each comes different ways they go together. These are just a few examples.


Hands down the largest reason for the Gargoyle's cost is shown in the below image. Most Nelson based markers use tubes to start the marker body. The Gargoyle begins life as two separate solid pieces of metal. When the two are mated together, they stay together via a steel plug, and much more work is done in making the custom Gargoyle.

The first 20 Gargoyles were done this way. However, they were not stamped as they are now to ID them after the ano process. So these first 20 have feed blocks that may have small variations on the outer surfaces between the two. Below image is of the Gargoyle Bodies and Feed Blocks before machining them into said parts.

And below is after machining:


Another obvious difference in the Gargoyle is the valve body.


Yet another difference is the Gargoyle pump body.

Instead of starting with a hollow or solid cylinder of some kind, the Gargoyle pump body starts as a solid block. When finished, there is a hole bored through for the barrel. Both sides of that hole are threaded for the bushings to sit in. The outer surface is done, and there are two holes drilled and tapped for the connecting rod and the guide rod. And then, of course, the bushings themselves have to be made.

Below is the Raw material for the Gargoyle Pump Body; a solid block:


Carter feed tubes have always dazzled his markers, and I am sure that these are an expensive piece to make as they are not holed all the way through. Boring lengthy holes can be tricky and a pain in the backside. Add to it the sight rails and decorative aspects of the Carters and they look spectacular on both Buzzards and Carter Comps. Below is one of the earlier tubes of Carter's creations.


Below are only images of Carter and RTR bucket changers. The top two being Carter Machine.


Q. Are High End CCI Phantoms, Carters, Redux, and RTR guns worth the money?

A. Absolutely.


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